Desperate need of help!!! Ignition...
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Desperate need of help!!! Ignition...
I have a 2002 xtype 3.0 automatic. It has been down for four months. I have tried everything. It is going into limp and showing ignition codes. Here's the list
P0352, 354, 356
P1386
Here's the list of what I've done
Replaced battery, all coils, plugs, knock sensor, cam sensors, crank sensor, oil pressure and temp sensors, coolant temp sensor, the cat on bank 2.
I have redone every ground in the engine bay, and soldiered in new wires to everything ignition related.
Also, I have sent the ecm out twice for remanufacture and both times it came back as they could find nothing wrong.
I'm at a loss. It goes into limp after around ten minutes. Never fails. I can clear the codes and it will straighten up for a few seconds then goes right back. Then I let it cool down for a few hours and it will repeat this process.
I did remove all the seats prior to this happening to refinish. But, the timeline isn't dead on to that. Are there any other systems that report for ignition? If it's not the ecm, what does the gauge cluster do b-sides being gauges?
Please please please help.
P0352, 354, 356
P1386
Here's the list of what I've done
Replaced battery, all coils, plugs, knock sensor, cam sensors, crank sensor, oil pressure and temp sensors, coolant temp sensor, the cat on bank 2.
I have redone every ground in the engine bay, and soldiered in new wires to everything ignition related.
Also, I have sent the ecm out twice for remanufacture and both times it came back as they could find nothing wrong.
I'm at a loss. It goes into limp after around ten minutes. Never fails. I can clear the codes and it will straighten up for a few seconds then goes right back. Then I let it cool down for a few hours and it will repeat this process.
I did remove all the seats prior to this happening to refinish. But, the timeline isn't dead on to that. Are there any other systems that report for ignition? If it's not the ecm, what does the gauge cluster do b-sides being gauges?
Please please please help.
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Wgmay1, from what you are describing, your problem appears to be a ground wire issue between the ECM and the coils. So, specifically, you are looking at the yellow/green wire coming off of pin 4 of the coils. If you start at the coils, you will see where each coil has its own yellow/green wire and they will all form into 1 wire. Between that point and the ECM you most likely have either a broken wire (not suspecting that because the engine is still running) or that wire has a high resistance point in the middle of the wire (most likely where you spliced the wiring together or where the wiring got soldered to the plug.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
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Wgmay1, from what you are describing, your problem appears to be a ground wire issue between the ECM and the coils. So, specifically, you are looking at the yellow/green wire coming off of pin 4 of the coils. If you start at the coils, you will see where each coil has its own yellow/green wire and they will all form into 1 wire. Between that point and the ECM you most likely have either a broken wire (not suspecting that because the engine is still running) or that wire has a high resistance point in the middle of the wire (most likely where you spliced the wiring together or where the wiring got soldered to the plug.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
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I did some thinking and I didn't replace the wires all the way to the connectors on the coils. I replaced them from the inches from the ecm connector to the pcv valve. So, I suppose it's possible there is a defect in one of the outputs close to the coil.
I'm going to see about replacing the connectors tomorrow. They do test fine though.
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Wgmay1, from what you are describing, your problem appears to be a ground wire issue between the ECM and the coils. So, specifically, you are looking at the yellow/green wire coming off of pin 4 of the coils. If you start at the coils, you will see where each coil has its own yellow/green wire and they will all form into 1 wire. Between that point and the ECM you most likely have either a broken wire (not suspecting that because the engine is still running) or that wire has a high resistance point in the middle of the wire (most likely where you spliced the wiring together or where the wiring got soldered to the plug.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
All of the codes indicate that there is either a problem with the power going to the ECM (not likely as cylinders 1/3/5 are working normally based on codes), the power wire going to the coils is shorted to ground (car shouldn't start as it would only be running on 3 cylinders), you have 3 bad coils (not likely to have that many bad all at the same time, especially on the same side of the engine), or the ground wire between the coils and the ECM is open.
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