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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 07:33 PM
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Looks like a great car! Unfortunately I'm in Vancouver Canada, so that's going to be a no from me!
 
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I have a, just this week, 3 yr old 35t. I originally leased but liked driving it so much I bought it.

So far a very trouble-free car. Everything still works, good panel fit and I find the interior OK
Depending on the trim level xenon lights were an option and you definitely want them - the halogen lights on a loaner I had were dire.

I have the 8” touch screen, which seems fine, but I don’t have any other experience to judge it by.
The voice control gets the odd weird answer in the navigation system,

Lots of good tips above, I would add-

A written manual would be helpfull - it’s pretty awful but the online version is dreadful.

Make sure the car you buy has a second key rplab=cemants are very expensive

Good luck
 
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I have a, just this week, 3 yr old 35t. I originally leased but liked driving it so much I bought it.

So far a very trouble-free car. Everything still works, good panel fit and I find the interior OK
Depending on the trim level xenon lights were an option and you definitely want them - the halogen lights on a loaner I had were dire.

I have the 8” touch screen, which seems fine, but I don’t have any other experience to judge it by.
The voice control gets the odd weird answer in the navigation system,

Lots of good tips above, I would add-

A written manual would be helpfull - it’s pretty awful but the online version is dreadful.

Make sure the car you buy has a second key rplab=cemants are very expensive

Good luck
Thanks Keith, that's very helpful to hear your positive experiences. Yes, the xenons are a must for me - I've always taken to heart the advice to buy the best headlights available and haven't regretted it. I could never go back to halogens. Good tips on the manual and keys!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 08:57 PM
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And if you buy the XE or any other Jaguar using the V6 Supercharged, make sure you use oils that meets the Jaguar specification ST JLR 51.5122: Castrol Edge Professional 0W20, or LiquiMoly or Motul...there may be one or two others but not an oil you can get at Canadian Tire.
Reliability: Modern Jaguars are very reliable, the most common cause of complaint is that the various electronic modules need full battery voltage at all times so if this is not to be a daily driver you might be advised to fit a battery minder - a good one like the CTEK unit.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 09:12 PM
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And if you buy the XE or any other Jaguar using the V6 Supercharged, make sure you use oils that meets the Jaguar specification ST JLR 51.5122: Castrol Edge Professional 0W20, or LiquiMoly or Motul...there may be one or two others but not an oil you can get at Canadian Tire.
Reliability: Modern Jaguars are very reliable, the most common cause of complaint is that the various electronic modules need full battery voltage at all times so if this is not to be a daily driver you might be advised to fit a battery minder - a good one like the CTEK unit.
Thanks! I don’t cut corners on cheap oil!

And good recommendation on the battery tender. I’ve seen some similar issues on other manufacturers forums, is there any documented issue with battery drain or need to upgrade to a more durable battery technology (can’t recall the terminology at the moment) or is it just that low voltage can cause a litany of issues?
 
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Originally Posted by keith100
Hi
I have a, just this week, 3 yr old 35t. I originally leased but liked driving it so much I bought it.

So far a very trouble-free car. Everything still works, good panel fit and I find the interior OK
Depending on the trim level xenon lights were an option and you definitely want them - the halogen lights on a loaner I had were dire.

I have the 8” touch screen, which seems fine, but I don’t have any other experience to judge it by.
The voice control gets the odd weird answer in the navigation system,

Lots of good tips above, I would add-

A written manual would be helpfull - it’s pretty awful but the online version is dreadful.

Make sure the car you buy has a second key rplab=cemants are very expensive

Good luck
My previous XE came with a written manual but my new one (Sep 2020) came with just a quick-start leaflet and I was directed to the online version by the dealer. As you say, this is not the best and the quick start leaflet pointed me to a website (elanders.co.uk) where you can buy printed manuals - and a wallet to put them in, just like what used to be supplied with the car. However, the price was high - I paid £65.00 for the handbook & wallet which, for a high price new car, is a bit much for something that should come with it.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 11:13 AM
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Thanks! I don’t cut corners on cheap oil!

And good recommendation on the battery tender. I’ve seen some similar issues on other manufacturers forums, is there any documented issue with battery drain or need to upgrade to a more durable battery technology (can’t recall the terminology at the moment) or is it just that low voltage can cause a litany of issues?
It is not a matter of a defect causing battery drain - it is a matter of the usage pattern: for example, leaving the car unlocked causes various modules to continue operating for 20-30 minutes as opposed to shutting down within 6 or 7 minutes. Leaving the car unlocked repeatedly, infrequent and short runs, installing a new battery that is not fully charged (and they never are when bought off the shelf) will eventually result in low battery voltage. And that means random warning lights, touch screen not operating properly, door locks and windows and seats displaying strange behaviour...in virtually every case it is simply a matter of low battery voltage caused by the pattern of infrequent and short runs and the rest of what I describe above.

The cure for the result of this usage pattern? installing a (CTEK or other) battery minder and using it when the car itself is not in regular use. This is not a Jaguar issue: every, EVERY modern luxury manufacturer has the same challenges, and every manufacturer markets the CTEK maintainer under its own label (at twice the cost or more) for this very reason: Bugatti, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Maserati, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and yes, Jaguar and Land Rover among others. You can verify this....just google : " (Maserati ...or BMW....or Audi...) battery maintainer".
And the batteries Jaguar supplies are AGM batteries now.

Here is my F-Type, happily at rest waiting to run. No electrical issues ever.:

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I’ve had my 2018 XE 25t AWD (250HP Ingenium I-4) since May 2018. Just put 970 miles on it yesterday (MA to MI). I love it. (I have the V6 in the F-type - great engine. VAP tune on it.)

ICTP had some serious bugs when I first got it, but an upgrade vastly improved it, and added wired CarPlay (and Android Auto). Yesterday, I played my favorite classical radio station (WCRB) via the ICTP TuneIn radio app via the built-in 4G, for the whole 14-hour drive. Only an occasional brief dropout. Also keep a USB stick plugged in. The ICTP interface for browsing the USB stick is awkward, but it works.

What I haven’t figured out is how to get the phone to ring when it’s plugged into CarPlay. Seems like i don’t get any notification when a call comes in. Works fine with Bluetooth. Must be a setting somewhere, but I haven’t found it.

Had a camshaft position sensor replaced under warranty.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by WotWombats
Hi everyone,

I'm seriously considering an XE, either a 35t R-Sport or an S (2017 or 2018 models). I'm in Canada so they'll be AWD.

I've been narrowing my search and I think it's mostly down to this or the Giulia. To me they fill similar positions in the market - left field brands where chassis/handling is their true talent. Both are a bit further behind in infotainment, interior and perceived reliability compared to the Germans or Japanese, but way ahead (imho) on handling, desirability, styling and uniqueness.

My key questions are:
  1. Can anyone provide an update on their car's reliability as of Feb 2021? I've scoured the forums and by and large I don't see much that really concerns me. I know Jag (like Alfa) have a perception of poor reliability, and there are clearly some issues, but it seems relatively hit and miss. I'd appreciate some up-to-date owner reports if possible. Is there anything major that seems to be a persistent problem with the XE other than the fragile 20" wheels and rims, and relatively soft paint?
  2. Can anyone comment on the state of InControl Touch Pro in 2021? I've seen a lot of older comments saying it was very buggy, but most posts ultimate appear to be resolved after a software update. There seems to be a lot of debate over ICT vs Pro, but I'd only be looking for the Pro system. If I were to buy an XE and then ensure it was updated to the latest software, can I now expect it to be relatively stable?
Also, I'm curious if any of you have cross-shopped the Giulia and the XE, and what your thoughts were. As I can't afford a QV Giulia, I'd be stuck with the 2.0T TI Sport. While by all accounts it's a very healthy 2.0T, moving up from a GTI I really hope to get out of a 4 cylinder. The SC V6 is incredibly appealing in the XE.

Thanks in advance!
I've had 2017 XE 35t AWD prestige version. I'm turning it in next week as my lease is up after 39 months. As far as reliability, no issues in 42K miles what so ever. Handles great and is scary quick. As for the infotainment system, it's OK. My only disappointment with the cars is the interior appointments, looks like toyota quality in the materials. Other than that a great car
 
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 09:37 AM
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I have a 2018 XE S 380 hp AWD. Purchase new in September 2017 and currently has 45000 km on the clock. Mine came with the 19" wheels and I took the black pack with metallic paint which has shown no issues. I can not speak for the Giulia however I have been very happy with this supercharged XE. The car really is a treat to drive, it is a rocket, the handling is amazing and the AWD is a bonus. One thing that surprised me was the fuel efficiency even when in Dynamic Mode. Yes the InControl is quirky, however overall I am satisfied. I have had no mechanical issues and would recommend the XE.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 10:39 AM
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My wife has a 2016 XF 3.5 R AWD. We lived in Illinois and took advantage of the AWD in several snow storms where it was just us and the plows. Drove carefully, but never spun out or got stuck. I liked that car so much, I got a 2018 XF Sportbrake AWD for myself. I am not a real fan of the In-Touch system. The heated seats should have a different control. Plus, it literally needs to warm up to be functional. Again, it was not a factor big enough to dissuade me from getting the second XF. Both cars are black. The paint is fine, but the weekly car wash to make it look good is a pain. Make sure you buy a monthly pass at a quality car wash. The British Racing Green is the color to go for, with beige seats.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 10:54 AM
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About elanders.co.uk ... did you purchase them from their website, or did you have to contact them and request the manual? I went to the site and found a generic "This is who we are" kinda thing.
 
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Bought my 2017 XE 35T R Sport in January 2020, nabbed it in Kansas and flew out there and drove it back to home state of WA and oh man what a drive it was, so far we have not had any sort of issues ( knock on wood) we get the oil changed every 3K or 6 months by our local Jag shop. My only gripe is the soft paint had to get some splash guards and it seems to have helped the info system is great, though i only use CarPlay when driving. and when the warranty is up ( in sept ) im going to have the middle resonator deleted so it can sound more aggressive ( like the Ftype) with out sounding like a street racer. but other than that we are IN love with our Jag, it always turns heads ( especially the guys who drive BMWs) and get compliments all the time. and the first month we had it we were at a Costco gas station and an older lady spoke out and said HOLY **** THATS A NICE CAR, what is it? and i said a Jag and she responded WOW that's one beautiful car.
 
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Originally Posted by sov211
It is not a matter of a defect causing battery drain - it is a matter of the usage pattern: for example, leaving the car unlocked causes various modules to continue operating for 20-30 minutes as opposed to shutting down within 6 or 7 minutes. Leaving the car unlocked repeatedly, infrequent and short runs, installing a new battery that is not fully charged (and they never are when bought off the shelf) will eventually result in low battery voltage. And that means random warning lights, touch screen not operating properly, door locks and windows and seats displaying strange behaviour...in virtually every case it is simply a matter of low battery voltage caused by the pattern of infrequent and short runs and the rest of what I describe above.

The cure for the result of this usage pattern? installing a (CTEK or other) battery minder and using it when the car itself is not in regular use. This is not a Jaguar issue: every, EVERY modern luxury manufacturer has the same challenges, and every manufacturer markets the CTEK maintainer under its own label (at twice the cost or more) for this very reason: Bugatti, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Maserati, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and yes, Jaguar and Land Rover among others. You can verify this....just google : " (Maserati ...or BMW....or Audi...) battery maintainer".
And the batteries Jaguar supplies are AGM batteries now.

Here is my F-Type, happily at rest waiting to run. No electrical issues ever.:

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Oh, lovely BRG F-Type.

Thanks, yes I'm familiar with that sort of issue. I recently was poking around looking at Ghiblis and the forums on there seem to indicate some more serious drain issues that go a bit deeper than what you have described, although it could be solely as a result of usage, as you say. Glad to know here the issues can be avoided through regular use or a maintainer. I have no issue using one and it would be welcome peace of mind if I'm not using my car regularly.

Thanks!
 
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 12:02 PM
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I’ve had my 2018 XE 25t AWD (250HP Ingenium I-4) since May 2018. Just put 970 miles on it yesterday (MA to MI). I love it. (I have the V6 in the F-type - great engine. VAP tune on it.)

ICTP had some serious bugs when I first got it, but an upgrade vastly improved it, and added wired CarPlay (and Android Auto). Yesterday, I played my favorite classical radio station (WCRB) via the ICTP TuneIn radio app via the built-in 4G, for the whole 14-hour drive. Only an occasional brief dropout. Also keep a USB stick plugged in. The ICTP interface for browsing the USB stick is awkward, but it works.

What I haven’t figured out is how to get the phone to ring when it’s plugged into CarPlay. Seems like i don’t get any notification when a call comes in. Works fine with Bluetooth. Must be a setting somewhere, but I haven’t found it.

Had a camshaft position sensor replaced under warranty.
Thanks DJS, this is great! Seems like minor bugs at worst now.
 
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Originally Posted by Fredhobie
I've had 2017 XE 35t AWD prestige version. I'm turning it in next week as my lease is up after 39 months. As far as reliability, no issues in 42K miles what so ever. Handles great and is scary quick. As for the infotainment system, it's OK. My only disappointment with the cars is the interior appointments, looks like toyota quality in the materials. Other than that a great car
Thanks! Glad you've had a good experience. I personally think the minor differences on the R-Sport and S models make a big difference to the interior appointments, and personally they're still a step above Toyota quality, but I agree it's not necessarily as impressive as some of the competitors. That would be more of concern to me if I were coming out of a contemporary competitor, but interior flash and opulence isn't that high on my priority list. And hey, if that's the worst issue, that's great!
 
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Originally Posted by Mississauga
I have a 2018 XE S 380 hp AWD. Purchase new in September 2017 and currently has 45000 km on the clock. Mine came with the 19" wheels and I took the black pack with metallic paint which has shown no issues. I can not speak for the Giulia however I have been very happy with this supercharged XE. The car really is a treat to drive, it is a rocket, the handling is amazing and the AWD is a bonus. One thing that surprised me was the fuel efficiency even when in Dynamic Mode. Yes the InControl is quirky, however overall I am satisfied. I have had no mechanical issues and would recommend the XE.
Fantastic, thanks for sharing and the recommendation. Sounds like a great experience. Yours looks very sharp.
 
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Originally Posted by 2018Sportbrake
My wife has a 2016 XF 3.5 R AWD. We lived in Illinois and took advantage of the AWD in several snow storms where it was just us and the plows. Drove carefully, but never spun out or got stuck. I liked that car so much, I got a 2018 XF Sportbrake AWD for myself. I am not a real fan of the In-Touch system. The heated seats should have a different control. Plus, it literally needs to warm up to be functional. Again, it was not a factor big enough to dissuade me from getting the second XF. Both cars are black. The paint is fine, but the weekly car wash to make it look good is a pain. Make sure you buy a monthly pass at a quality car wash. The British Racing Green is the color to go for, with beige seats.
Thanks for sharing, this is great. Nothing like doubling down on a brand to really put money where mouth is on having a positive experience. I agree it would be great to have designated heated seat buttons. Silly to put them into the infotainment, but I can live with that in our relatively mild winters out in Vancouver.

I'd love BRG, it's just hard to find them sadly. Caesium or Italian Racing Red are high on my list too. I've never owned black for the reason you state, but I might be willing to take the plunge if it's otherwise the right car.
 
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Originally Posted by MrJag2020
Bought my 2017 XE 35T R Sport in January 2020, nabbed it in Kansas and flew out there and drove it back to home state of WA and oh man what a drive it was, so far we have not had any sort of issues ( knock on wood) we get the oil changed every 3K or 6 months by our local Jag shop. My only gripe is the soft paint had to get some splash guards and it seems to have helped the info system is great, though i only use CarPlay when driving. and when the warranty is up ( in sept ) im going to have the middle resonator deleted so it can sound more aggressive ( like the Ftype) with out sounding like a street racer. but other than that we are IN love with our Jag, it always turns heads ( especially the guys who drive BMWs) and get compliments all the time. and the first month we had it we were at a Costco gas station and an older lady spoke out and said HOLY **** THATS A NICE CAR, what is it? and i said a Jag and she responded WOW that's one beautiful car.
Sounds like a great ownership experience thus far. Yes, I'll be considering a middle resonator delete or VAP touring exhaust to give it slightly more edge. Thanks for the tip on the splash guards!

I'm searching a bit further afield than I normally would and kinda wouldn't mind if I had to buy out of province so I get the road trip back to really form that initial bond.
 
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Originally Posted by WotWombats
Hi everyone,

I'm seriously considering an XE, either a 35t R-Sport or an S (2017 or 2018 models). I'm in Canada so they'll be AWD.

I've been narrowing my search and I think it's mostly down to this or the Giulia. To me they fill similar positions in the market - left field brands where chassis/handling is their true talent. Both are a bit further behind in infotainment, interior and perceived reliability compared to the Germans or Japanese, but way ahead (imho) on handling, desirability, styling and uniqueness.

My key questions are:
  1. Can anyone provide an update on their car's reliability as of Feb 2021? I've scoured the forums and by and large I don't see much that really concerns me. I know Jag (like Alfa) have a perception of poor reliability, and there are clearly some issues, but it seems relatively hit and miss. I'd appreciate some up-to-date owner reports if possible. Is there anything major that seems to be a persistent problem with the XE other than the fragile 20" wheels and rims, and relatively soft paint?
  2. Can anyone comment on the state of InControl Touch Pro in 2021? I've seen a lot of older comments saying it was very buggy, but most posts ultimate appear to be resolved after a software update. There seems to be a lot of debate over ICT vs Pro, but I'd only be looking for the Pro system. If I were to buy an XE and then ensure it was updated to the latest software, can I now expect it to be relatively stable?
Also, I'm curious if any of you have cross-shopped the Giulia and the XE, and what your thoughts were. As I can't afford a QV Giulia, I'd be stuck with the 2.0T TI Sport. While by all accounts it's a very healthy 2.0T, moving up from a GTI I really hope to get out of a 4 cylinder. The SC V6 is incredibly appealing in the XE.

Thanks in advance!
I can’t speak to you to any of your questions other than to make a comment about the marvellous 35t engine.
I have a 2017 XF 35T and I’m constantly impressed by its flexibility, smoothness and power.
I also have an Infinity Red Sport 400 and whilst it is marginally quicker than the jag in a straight line once off the line, the instant response from the 35T’s supercharged motor puts a smile on my face every time.
I can only imagine what it would be like in a lighter car.
 
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