Collective:

Yes, I know it's a 4-banger turbo. But...15K miles, CPO out to 100/6 year (Jan 2019), Carnelian Red, tan interior, upgraded headliner, NO START/STOP, front disks and pads replaced (during the test ride...stomped on the brakes and the damn thing shuddered...made me wonder what else they missed on that '150-point inspection), not a scratch on the body and the interior smells new. Tires ok. Climbed underneath, no scratches, dings, rust I could see.

Dealer is asking 35K. And that is for the CPO price. They will sell a wrap-around jag warranty to cover out to 125K miles.

Loved the car, especially the flappy paddles and the whole tightness/responsiveness of the ride as compared to, say, a 5 series or some generic Lexus or Infiniti. A lot different, but yet, in some ways, the same, as my XJ8.

Now, I know the 4 banger is not the most firebreathing ball of insanity under the hood. But, on the superslab interstate...something to be said for doing 70 and the tach reading 1300 rpm-ish. Guess that's how they get the hwy mileage up to 30. Less than my Jetta Turbodiesel, but more in so many other ways.

Thoughts? Insights into the 13s? Seem like a fair price? Comments?

Thanks, guys.

 

Had one as a service loaner, believe me to get to that cruising speed of 70mph at anything but a snails pace you will erase ALL your mpg gains. IMO Luxury cars of this size need at least a V6. Just drive the T4, V6 and possibly the SC V6 back to back and choose.

 

Stomping the brakes and feeling a shudder at the peddle is usually a normal consequence of anti-lock brakes working as they should. If the steering wheel jitters back and forth, then maybe warped rotors.

 

I have had quite a bit of seat time in the 2.0L equipped XF's and I am rather torn on them.

I dropped off my XFR at the dealer this past Friday and was given a 2.0L XF as a service loaner again. Due to the long weekend, I took this loaner out to Las Vegas from San Diego. As a long haul vehicle, I think I may actually prefer the laid back nature of the 2.0L compared to my XFR. Fuel range on the 2.0L is hugely better than my XFR as I was able to average an excellent 32.7mpg for the round trip at an average speed of 74mph. Passing power is not too bad for real world situations despite what many others have said on this forum; however, this is just my opinion.

Now, there are a few things that come to mind that I cannot come to accept. The 8 speed transmission is an excellent unit in terms of smoothness but it's seriously slow in certain situations. If you are on the freeway cruising at 65mph in 8th gear, it will literally take one and a half to two seconds for it to kick down to the lowest gear if you hit the throttle wide open. This delay in changing gears is extremely annoying and you may find yourself in a dangerous situation if you needed full power instantly.

Smoothness on a motorway is one thing but the 2.0L around town is a different story. This motor is usually found in compact engine bays in a transversely mounted configuration I believe it is mounted longitudinally in the XF. Although I have the same motor in my Range Rover Evoque, the way the motor reacts in the XF is drastically different. Turbo lag is something you experience any time you press the throttle and power delivery is a bit chunky. If the motor is out of boost, you have zero power. When the turbo finally spools, it feels like you just received every foot pound of torque that instant.

As a long haul vehicle, I definitely enjoy the XF 2.0L. But thinking about it, I guess that just means I prefer the gas mileage of the 2.0L and the fact that I am really not having to use the motor and transmission in a local setting.

 

I am currently experiencing that motor in an Evoque, which is a very heavy vehicle for its size.

The motor is pretty perky and I have no real complaints about it.

The ZF 8 spd in D on the other hand is not a good match. When fitted to the V6 SC in my XF the downshift delay is just about tolerable but not on the Evoque.

That turbo four just takes too long to wake up from 1,300 rpm to 4,000 required for the kick down.

The "literally" 1.5 to 2.0 seconds isn't literally although I agree it sure feels that way.

If you actually time the shift from 6 or 7 down to 2 or 3 it takes is no more than half a second, about half what a manual gearbox shift would take. The illusion of extreme delay is created partly by the lightning fast normal shift speed and partly the turbo lag which is about as tiny as modern technology can make it, although the next gen version of Ford's 2.0 Ecoboost is to get a twin scroll turbo in part to address this deficiency. No doubt Jaguar's upcoming Ingenium gas engine will be fitted likewise.

 

Well...it wasn't the rapid pulsing of ABS, it was a regular vibration and feedback through the tiller; the shop pulled it in and found warped rotors...so they replaced both along with the pads in the front.

 

Thanks! Most of my driving is interstate to and from the office; average of 65 to 70 mph.

Have the same issues with my turbodiesel VW, and if I'm honest, my turboesprit also had lag that you had to account for when maneuvering on the highway. So, it is something to consider.

I did like the difference between the handling of my XJ8 (leisurely wafting down the road) and the somewhat more firm and sporty nature of the XF. Of course, the technology is a lot different, but the class of both is something that speaks to me.

Still thinking about it. Of course the sales droid is calling me every day (as if these things are flying off the lot...); I'll make a decision later this week as to whether to pull the trigger and put a second cat in my driveway (spank me now...)

 

My understanding is that they have been struggling to sell the 2.0 models - and there are quite a few ex demo models around. So if you are happy with it and the performance, then I'd push very hard on the pricing.

 

As seems to be typical, I agree with Patrickw813's comments. I recently took a 2015 2.0 as a loaner and it seemed a little peppier in the lower rpm range, but only in Sport, than previous 2.0 loaners.

On the freeway, I have few complaints. In town I complain a lot. So to me it's a compromised vehicle, but still a pretty nice place to spend your commute. More of a comfortable appliance than a real Jaguar. Gets the job done but it doesn't have any of the "it" factor.

And I'd be afraid to buy one because I know I'd become bored with it and it depreciates too quickly to be a good move. But I want more power than a standard XFR, so keep that in mind of what's important to me.

 

Good points, sir.

It's all a matter of taste; at this point, comfort and reliability (relative, I know...if you want to play in the Jag sandbox, there are costs involved...) are what counts more than 'hair on fire' blasts (not that I don't enjoy them....but at a more sedate pace in my Europa....) through the twisties.

But, still, just for the poseur value:



'13 XF



Cockpit

 

Sounds like you've made your decision...

 

Still chewing on it, Kyanite. Want to make sure I work the deal properly, hit them for what I can, offer buying in with the warranty...

 

Ask for more than you deserve, then be willing to leave if your don't get it. The offer they come back with the second time they call will be worth taking. The first call will be just to see if you're still interested.

 

I was sufficiently interested in the claim that the 8 spd was sluggish to downshift I actually did a one Mississippi two Mississippi count and I correct my earlier observation. It does take at least one second to downshift when more than one gear is skipped. I also noted that turbo lag is very noticable from low rpm and the 9 spd ( the Evoque is fitted with the transverse version of this engine and transmission so has 9 ratios) will hold a very high gear well down to close to 1,000 rpm before reluctantly delivering a downshift by which time it needs to skip shift several ratios to deliver the one you need. I further noted that filling the tank on this almost new Evoque with 91 octane resulted in an immediate improvement in engine response and torque output. Before writing off this otherwise excellent drivetrain make sure it actually has 91 in the tank?

 

The transverse mounted engine in the Evoque has shorter piping all around for the exhaust manifold, intercooler, etc. I feel the 2.0L is much more responsive in the Evoque than in the XF.

Even though the 2.0L XF's I've sampled are loaner vehicles, I treat them as if they were my own and only put 91 octane in the fuel tank. Even with the highest grade fuel available here in California, the motor still seems quite a bit more sluggish than in my Evoque. My first year Evoque is still equipped with the older six speed unit (which is every bit as fast in shifts as my XFR) but I feel the Evoque's have better transmission mapping in general, including the newer nine speed unit.

My own preference is geared towards immediate response but I do feel the 2.0L XF would be a good daily driver for many individuals whose priority is comfort and efficiency rather than hardcore performance and response.

 

And I'm extremely pleased with both the deal (dealer came down a bit on the purchase, gave me more on my trade; I tossed a bone with a wrap-around warranty to compliment the 6/100 K (which brings me out to 8 yrs/100K) for 1900. at the purchase point and tracks the Jag CPO pretty well. Still under factory initial, CPO'd extension, and wrap-around for the time. And the note is less than the VW was. Not a bad thing.

So...I'm now a 2-Jag man in the driveway, and a Lotus in the garage. Kind of a little sad seeing the jetta turbodiesel get driven away...but...there is the panache of cruising down the interstate in the XF.



The new ride.

Lots more toys in this one; I'm ok with the response speed of the entertainment unit, gps, and such. Damn thing even has the AC seats, heated steering wheel, rear window shade...only things missing are the adaptive cruise and such from what I can see.

And it only has (now) 16,000 miles on her, new front disks and pads...looks like they resprayed the bottom of the bumper; a little orange peel, but, in the NJ/PA area, lots of cars need that (there are no carfax entries for any issues, etc., and I have the maintenance printout, so it looks like it's been taken care of.)

Makes my old Caddy Seville seem like a Beetle. Now...let's see how she holds out.

 

Congratulations on the new XF!

 

I knew you were going to pull the trigger! Congrats!

 

Which the dealer is stepping up for...

1. Missing the front license plinth. Not that it matters in PA, but, they took it off to do the bumper and left the screw holes there. Not a problem, they will supply when I stop in.

2. When they resprayed the bumper, they also sprayed over the front sensors. Accordingly...they are inop. They will be replaced so I have front sensors.

3. The interior hard trim piece down by the front hood lever is cracked where it meets the sill. On order.

And, stopped by the local jag dealer I've been talking to (I bought this one in Cherry Hill NJ, not local); he was appreciative that I stopped by to show him the ride and apologized that they didn't have enough stock to be able to sell me one other than their stock of used black on blacks. (I do NOT like black cars...not in this area with the rain and such...they never look good) But, their shop is pretty good (if $$$$$$$), but with the CPO and wrap, I'm thinking that I won't have too much out of pocket until '19. So, have 4K miles to go to the first service...

Also, service department ran the service and ownership history. All recalls have been handled as they should...the car was bought at auction in Nov of last year; the car was an exec car for JLR in Mahwah, so, everything (except for the one in Jan of this year) was done at the Tech Center in northern NJ. So, it's been looked after.

And it's a blast to drive down the road, 4-banger, turbo lag, and getting used to the car and all. Wow. Had a bit of buyer's remorse, but took her out this morning, filled the tank, long trip through the Bucks County back roads...yeah, I think I made the right decision.

Thanks for all the encouragement and comments. Now there are two Jags in the driveway. And the SO is happy that I'm happy. What's not to like?