Carzaddict, what u think? Lol I wouldn't know

 

Child please.

 

The guy with summer tires is going to hit the guy in front of him and then continue sliding and hitting every car on the road until his car bursts into flames and explodes.

 

What was misinformed of my post? You continue to go back to pointless negative comments that do not make a point. I can tell you your posts are stupid and they are garbage and you are misinformed but what it comes down to is proof.

Are people driving a XF SC in the winter, with snow on the ground, using all-season or winter tires, and not getting into accidents, not having any troubles and not ruining their cars? Yes. Plain and simple can the car be used for winter driving? Yes.

How many Canadian service managers have you talked with? How many have you talked with that see snow for 6-8 months of the year? I do not doubt the service manager said "SC isn't really a winter vehicle even with the winter mode option" as I agree I do NOT think it's a "winter vehicle". The car is made for luxury and performance, not for the snow. But does that mean you cannot drive it in the winter? I don't see anywhere that the service manager said to store the car in your garage. I get my knowledge from my service manager (who is better than your service manager by the way haha) and from real world experience. I have driven both the SC and NA in the winter and I am not a magician. The proof is in the experience. Drive it in the winter and then tell me you cannot do so once it strands you somewhere.

The only thing is said "jaguar says" is in reference to what the winter mode is designed to do. Of course there is a ton of marketing and I am sure this car was not designed with the intention it would be driven year round in a winter climate. Having said that, you have to agree that they definitely took that into consideration when putting the car into production. Why would they spend the money on advertising, creating the winter mode and the engineering behind it if they didn't believe people would be driving it in the winter? You think Jaguar would allow them to market the hell out of this thing and have someone go and use it and find it completely useless? Would that not make you question the brand reputation? Would all of the money they spent investing in this one pitch be then completely for nothing?

You also mention you store your jag in the winter because you don't want someone sliding into me and then you go on to say that you haven't had an accident in 18 years. So then why do you store the jag if you don't...no never mind. Enough said?

This whole thread is to talk about winter tires. Are winter tires better than any other tire for cold and snowy conditions? Without a doubt. Are they a good investment? For sure. Do you NEED to buy them? No. Should you drive on summer tires in the winter? No. If you have a SC do you need new rims and tires? Yes if you want to drive it in the winter.

How many XF drivers use snow tires in winter? (The entire thread is about this) The answer is some do and some don't. If you want to is up to you but the car will still get you where you need to go with all-seasons. On top of that would you drive your XF in the winter? The answer is some do and some don't. Again, if you want to is up to you.

 

Woah there boy. Snow tires rated to V are readily available which is 140 mph. You are talking about Q rated tires good for only 160 km/hr which is just shy of 100 mph. You are correct that the very best winter tires are Q rated and not designed for very high speeds but you can get higher speed rated winter tires. I have V rated snow tires on my XF which won't even go that fast!

 

Hmmm, relying on common sense eh? Are you sure you recognize that?

Obviously you are not competent to drive a powerful car in winter. So, it is good you recognize that and stick to your Taurus.

Holy moly, you actually drive a Taurus? Do you have tinted windows or do you just wear a mask and sunglasses?

 

Competent? Lmao. No dummy, I'm just smart enough to not drive a high performance vehicle in snowy conditions.

 

OK, now we are clear on that. No dummy. Got it.

 

interesting, thanks for clearing that up. i had no idea they made V rated winter tires. i might consider investing in some.....because it actually drives me nuts that i cant go faster than 80-90.....once in a while i need to

 

Be aware that high speed snow tires give up snow and ice grip to get that high speed stability on bare pavement. I prefer the superior handling and put up with less grip.

I recommend you look for snow tires with the lowest speed rating you need in order to maximize the grip. There are R rated tires good for 170 km/hr which is over 100mph. There are T rated which will take you up to the speed limiter safely, which is set at around 120 mph, 190km/hr, and H rated which takes you to 210 km/hr, 130 mph. I only have V rated on my XF because that's what Pirelli makes in the size I need.

 

I wonder why this thread is so XF centric even if it is the XF forum. The XF is a rear wheel drive (until now) as was most cars and nearly all powerful cars until recently. We all got along during winter, using snow tyres. Those that did not ended up in a ditch sooner (usually) or later. That still applies. A powerful car can be used in snow, it all depends on the driver (older turbos with on/off power excepted). Nicely judged it is no problem at all. When my XJ-S V12 was my daily driver I used it year round. 300 horses with the rubber compounds of then equates well to an XF S/C with todays tyres. The XJ-S was not the ideal winter car but in no way a liability either. I went quicker than most most of the time without ever experiencing a hairy moment, far less any dings. But I always bought the best winter tyres I could find and never used them down to the legal minimum thread depth. When I have a nice car there is no way I am going to suffer a banger just because there is snow or ice. As a bonus I can play at the hooligan game at legal speeds because the grip is so much less When I want to buy something just to preserve and look at the paintings on the walls do the job rather better than a car.

 

XF with winter mode and all season tires works OK in moderate snow. But consider the other drivers on the road that dont care what car they hit.
My solution is a 4x4 F150 while my Jag sleeps in the warm garage.

 

I've had my Blizzaks on the stock 20's since November, and they have been just fine. We haven't had any real snow storms, but the light dustings we get, and super cold days...you can tell a difference.

 

Amen!! I was beginning to think I was the only one on this forum that felt like this. And I'm glad you emphasized moderate conditions because if its a real snow fall, the xf sc is not going to cut it. That winter mode is not what ppl think it is. It helps, but it's not significant as to the type of difference AWD Would make. It's amazing the thinking level of some individuals. They see a button that says winter mode and think its sufficient for the snow.


To me that winter mode is almost a joke by Jaguar just to get ppl to purchase a vehicle that really is a summer/fall vehicle. I have a Taurus and a Lexus and they both do significantly better than my SC and they don't have a "winter mode". If I get a inch of snow my SC struggles up the drive way. But my TAurus will go up 3 inches like its noting.

 

You are just wrong. I drive my XF year round in all conditions. It is just fine. The winter setting is just to make it easier to drive in very slippery conditions. It doesn't matter how powerful the car is if you use winter mode. What you can't do is drive in winter on summer tires. Even all season tires are insufficient. All wheel drive does not improve winter driving. Winter tires improve winter driving. Period.

Good job you park your XF though.

 

Can we just delete this thread and forever ban the subject?

 

HAHA Agreed! Some people choose to drive in the winter and some do not. Saying the car is undrivable is not correct and saying the winter mode does nothing is not correct. The car does not need to be stored. It is stored out of preference because (what I hear on this forum) is that people are scared others will hit them when it becomes slick (and maybe making it up a driveway).

The car is NOT an AWD vehicle so no it does not act the same but the tires do make a large difference. Storing your vehicle because you are concerned others will hit it is pretty rediculous too. Yes other drivers may not care as much about their vehicle that you or I do but how many times have you been hit in the winter time? Common people it does not happen that often. Unlucky people it will occur once in a lifetime?

It comes down to it I would not lable the Jaguar as a "winter car" but I would put a ton of vehicles in the same class. There is nothing about this car that makes it different than another RWD vehicle other than it being more expensive?

PS -5 degrees celcius here today and there was a Nissan GT-R sitting outside my building and a Bentley Continental GT Convertible. Saw an XJ the other day too.

 

The service reps probably forgot to tell the owner of the Bentley that it isn't a winter car.

 

Think the service reps must have also forgot to tell the guys at top gear that the Bentley isn't a rally car! Haha this is a great top gear episode.

 

See how tricky it is on the wrong tires.

That LHD Bentley no doubt ended up on a long island used car lot this year.