I'm looking at purchasing a used 2009 XF supercharged, but I'm interested in the long term reliability of the car.... I've read a lot of bad press about the car, but it seems like much of the issues revolve around the shifter .... Once this is replaced, how do the cars hold up long term? The car I'm looking at has 42K miles and is not CPO

I did a fair about of searching, but only find questions about buying new, not used, so i apologize if this has been beat to death already

Thanks in advance

 

No long term issues. There were a few initial run faults all fixed under warranty. These are durable well made cars.

Bad press includes idiots who persisted in treating the glovebox touch switch as a wipe switch and declaring a fault when swiping didn't work, which of course it didn't because then it would have opened every time you cleaned the wood trim! Because of that confusion Jaguar had to change this nifty switch for a boring old "press" button.

It is quite annoying finding out what some people call faults in a new car design.

 

The drivetrain in the 09 model year has been around for quite some time. Go for it!

 

I have no *useful* information to add.

However, this sort of question comes up all the time. One person asks how *reliable* a particular model is and another person replies by describing how *durable* that model is

Two different things!

For example, my old XJR has needed many repairs but it has been 100% reliable. That is, it has never once left me stranded. Never been on the back of a tow-truck. I can always RELY on the car to get me to my destination.

As for durability, well Jags have a reputation for durability. I'm quite sure I can get at least 200k miles from mine. Very durable.

However, "durable" does not mean trouble-free or expense-free. I'm not sure how much money I'll have to pump into the car to to reach 200k miles.

Sorry for being pedantic. Just trying to keep everyone on the same page

Cheers
DD

 

Most any car these days will treat you as you treat them. Keep up the regular maintenance and drive it properly and it will last a long time. As far as reliability, that can be relative term. Some believe that if a car has had a lot of nit-picky issues it is unreliable, but has taken them reliably everywhere they needed to go. All of my Jaguars have been very reliable to me. Yes, you will get a "lemon" every once in a while, but that will happen in any car. Those are the ones you hear from. People don't usually just pop in here and say my car ran just fine today! BTW, my car did run beautifully today!

 

Thank you for the candid responses......

I'm hesitant, as i've had good luck with vehicles, probably because i take very good care of them (eluding to hlgeorge's response).... I've had quite a few domestic (GM and Ford) vehicles, a Lexus IS350 and a BMW X5 is my current vehicle... with the Bimmer, i knew when i bought it that it would be hit or miss, and i took a chance.... 1/2 of them are trouble free forever, and the other 1/2 will nickel and dime you to death.... that's why i'm getting rid of it - its started to have a few maintenance issues, and i want to keep the rest of my nickels and dimes....

Would you guys have any sort of estimate on the yearly maintenance costs?? I'm a pretty hands-on guy - can the oil and filter be gotten easily and changed DIY? Can i do basic maintenance myself?

 

i don't expect all cars to be "change the oil and brakes and you'll never have a problem" but predictability is nice......

 

and one more thing - i also don't consider "querky" to be unreliable like many would... e.g., the electronic door release on my Corvette can be finicky and difficult at times, but i really don't care... i love the car far too much to care about little things like that...

 

My 09 just ran for the year and 16,000 km with no servicing. My warranty repairs were limited to the known issues and the only other service was rear brakes. Total mileage was 60,000 km (30,000 miles) over five years.

 

That's what i like to hear....

Still not sure I can convince my wife to go with the XF, but we're going to do a good look around at what's out there...

 

Have you guys been on a test drive yet?
Once you open a door to a XF, that's it - they are very good at seduction.

 

we test drove one about 7 months ago when we bought our X5.... i was in-love, but my wife was so obsessed with getting an SUV and not a car, that she said "yea its really nice, and looked the other way".....

Now that i've convinced her that an SUV is not a must have, we're going to test-drive one again.

 

I owned an 03 x5 for 7 years and 54k miles. The last two years were brutally expensive. I don't expect the Jag to be any worse. Will probaly sell before warranty expires. Bmw's out of warranty are a big risk in my experience.

 

Tell your wife the truth: SUV are dangerous in a crash. The evidence is very clear. They are also very heavy and bad for the environment. The entire industry has encouraged customers to believe that an SUV is more "secure" ( note that nobody claims "safer" as they know that is completely false). Women in particular lack the inclination and the information to inform themselves about these glaring safety and environmental issues. They think sitting up high (along with all the other soccer moms) means they are safer. Not true, rollover death is a significant hazard of all SUV vehicles. Awd just increases this hazard for SUV, though not so much for a sedan version. Jaguar's awd is particularly safe because it is an on demand and as required system controlled by a computer, not by the driver.

Just for example.

http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...aArticleId=112

Also, an SUV forces you to ride along with all your luggage inside the inadequate safety cage they are built with (station wagons suffer from the same defect) whereas a sedan confines the load to a separate compartment outside the safety cage structure. The SUV also carries less stuff even though people think they carry more. In some designs you can pile stuff higher in the SUV cargo "area" but that just increases the risk of injury in any sort of collision, especially a rollover.


I have now convinced three of my close friends to protect their wives by insisting they drive sedans, tested to be superior in crash protection to any SUV on the market. Th woman who bought my Jaguar is also a good friend and can't wait to unload her Dodge hybrid truck. She has parked that in preference to the XF.

Now you can even get your XF in awd and it is amazing.

Stand your ground and insist you buy the safer more environmentally responsible Jaguar over those planet and people killing trucks. Then let Jaguar seduce your wife.

 

So true.
Went in for a range rover.
Left with a jag. Hook line and sinker!

 

Whoever told you that, lacks knowledge in physics.

 

Actually I do have a good knowledge of physics and you are quite mistaken.

Car safety has very little to do with vehicle weight except that pound for pound a lighter car is safer as long as the lighter car hits a stationary object or another car of similar weight and crash absorption design.

SUV do not have to meet the same crash resistant regulations as passenger cars. Current SUV are barely safer than the body on frame sedans of the fifties. Crossovers and similar SUV based on car designs are safer but still not as safe as cars.

This is why the single vehicle accidents are killing occupants of SUV and not just in rollovers.

Problem is when an SUV hits a passenger car all the crash resistant design features of the car are shared with the primitive design of the SUV. If SUV had to meet the same regulations nobody would by one because it would be too expensive. To make a 5,000 lb SUV as crash resistant as a car is required to be would probably add another 500 lbs to its weight.

Google it and here's just one example:

http://consumer.georgia.gov/consumer...ath-statistics

Another:

http://thedetroitproject.com/readmore/myths.htm

Don't be mislead by the insurance industry figures, they are calculated per million vehicle YEARS which is the only statistic they have. The true risk has to be measured by million vehicle MILES travelled. No wonder the numbers improved for SUV at the end (hopefully) of the worst recession since 1930 and some of the highest gas prices ever. Insurance industry also doesn't carve out the very dangerous (for small cars) collisions between large poorly designed SUV and smaller crash resistant cars.

Until the US buyers wake up to the harsh reality of physics the carnage will continue.

 

Jagular,

Personally, I'm no fan of SUVs so my first and natural inclination is to agree with you. Or, at minimum, not disagree with you :-).

It's certainly true that crashworthiness/crash safety is often misunderstood.

However, perusing the links you provided, and other sources (this subject is nothing new, after all) I also can't help but comment on the lack of specificity.

The classification "SUV" includes a vast array of different designs. It probably isn't accurate or fair to summarily lump all of them together as being equally bad. I'm not willing to accept that *any* SUV is as unsafe as the worst example nor willing to accept that *any* sedan is as safe as the best example.

Plus, for ages and ages there's been a vocal anti-SUV crowd....more like a "movement" at times...that brings socio-economics and politics into the mix. Naturally this can skew the objectivity of things.

Of course, if the wifey wants an SUV there might be nothing we can do to stop it. Sometimes there are dynamics at play that simply can't be overcome .

Cheers
DD

 

You drive the XF, wife drives the X5.

 

I hesitate to enter this conversation, but as a "tree hand shaker", not really into hugging them, I have one observation. SUVs and large trucks have their place in our society, but as I travel down the road, I mostly see these large vehicles with only one person behind the wheel. As I move along in my electric vehicle in the HOV/HOT lanes, single occupied, almost every commuter vehicle stuck in traffic is a behemoth with the person texting and/or talking on their cell phone. At least this is how it is in my city. I have my lovely Jaguar Xf and my efficient Nissan Leaf. I just call it my hybrid fleet! LOL In the city driving, the Jaguar and its power is totaly useless, so my Leaf fits the bill. On the highway, my Jaguar can't be beat!!