The modules configure themselves as to which is left and right, but it's always LEFT and RIGHT, never passenger and driver. LHD or RHD market makes no difference.

I disagree - everyone's XML is different, especially when it's a completely different model of car. When yours and mine will look nothing like each other, showing you where it went in mine could be counter productive. It just needs to be put at the end of one module declaration, before another. So as I said, when you see </module><module> you paste it inbetween. So </module>PASTE IN HERE<module>.

 

TOXO post #26 has provided critical understanding for all contemplating the BSM retrofit for XF and other models.
However, SDD is programmed to disqualify XK and will not reprogram the modules.
A work around is necessary. (Working on it.) In the mean-time, TOXO has joined those giants (or at least tall guys) on whose shoulders the rest of us can stand!
Thanks very much.

Bill

 

This can be done already. But before you get stuck later on down the line, I would suggest you use a similar module to cars of that era and architecture. My personal opinion is you would stand very little chance of a successful retrofit with the X260 radars. I would start off with the X250 ones and to make it even better, the 8 variant and not the 9. I picked mine up for £50..

 

MoJo88,
Are you saying that the BSM retro-fit has been successfully accomplished on the XK?
If so, details would be very much appreciated!

Bill

 

Apologies, I should've been more clear. I meant the manipulation of SDD to re-configure the modules can be done.

Regarding the non-option retrofit, it would be for someone to give it a go. It needs CAN signals to tell the system the speed the car is going and it utilises a direct connection to the mirrors. There isn't much to the system.

Here are the some points to bear in mind:

1) Do the door modules (or door module firmware) need changing?
2) Are you confident that you can get the modules aligned properly on the chassis? A few degrees out and it'll detect false positives.
3) You could put a load of time and research into it and potentially still get nowhere.

But I will leave this as a thought to you. Non-option retrofits have been done before and nobody knew it could be done until they tried

 

the xf260 on go through the door modules and are communicated via can pre x260 they do not and use wires from the blind spot modules directly to the mirrors and only use can for speed etc

 

Door modules not involved for this XK project.
Currently using 9X23-14D453-AH units. Six pin connectors/wires. Connects directly to the mirrors avoiding additional CAN programming.
Valero has great application data explaining module positioning.
We are presently at point #3 but I have confidence that we will have XK BSM sooner or later.
Cambo gave the XK community back-up cameras for 2007-11 models. His example and TOXO's XF BSM retrofit make the XK BSM look possible!

So, maybe time to start a new thread in the X150 forum?


Will post progress.

Bill

 

Yes Bill. Looking forward to the thread on the X150 page.
I'm interested to see what you do with the mirrors alone. Are they interchangeable with the XK? My EPC is down, or rather the laptop I have it is.

 

That's an easy one I think - XF mirror glass fits in XK mirrors. In fact Jaguar use the same shape glass in the XE XF XJ XK and I think the X Type and the F Pace are the same glass too.

 

I hope TOXO is still active here and able to answer this.

Firstly, thanks for the great project and all the info you have provided. I have just added SOD to my early 2011 (pre-facelift) X250. It was all pre-wired except from the mirrors to the door modules. I've done the SDD changes and modified the XML files as per the instructions. It was my first time using SDD and it was a fast learning experience. My present situation is this: both mirrors illuminate the small error LED at speeds below 20 km/h or a speed near that, and above that speed the error LED goes out and the system appears to work very well, detecting cars on either side. SDD doesn't seem to be giving me any DTCs relating to the SOD modules. I'm not sure how to proceed to get it running correctly. What do you suggest?

Many thanks!

 

Yeah I'm still here. What you are describing is correct behaviour, the system is only active at speeds above 10mph or so.

EDIT: From the workshop manual:

 

Hello. I didn't expect such a fast response! I'm glad that you're still here.

I understand that the system is inactive at low speeds, but my installation shows the error lights in both mirrors at low speed or stopped. For example, whenever I come to a stop at a red light, the error LEDs illuminate and stay illuminated until I reach 16 km/h.I wouldn't have thought that that is correct behaviour. I haven't seen it on other vehicles.

 

The LED is illuminated to inform the driver that the system is inactive. It really is the correct behaviour. From the owner's handbook at X250_ROW_12MY.book (jaguar.co.uk) page 47.

 

Wow ... thanks for that. I've been driving around for a week thinking I did something wrong and trying to figure out what it was. I haven't seen the error lights on other cars (other makes) at low speeds like mine, so I was worried. It seems that my retrofit is complete!

I'm really grateful for your prompt help today and also all the information you posted about this that allowed me to do the retrofit. Thanks so much!

 

Happy to help. I agree the functionality is odd - I guess it is to tell the driver not to rely on the system to help when performing low speed manoeuvres like parking and so on. So that you don't sue Jaguar for reversing out of a space into the path of an oncoming car and say "well the BSM didn't tell me!". Later cars use the BSM system very differently, specifically to help when backing out of blind parking spots etc. Jaguar call this "Rear Traffic Monitor", but our X250s don't use the radar sensors in that way.

 

on the 2015 XF on ,the rear detection part is brilliant
Saved me loads of times backing out
but the orange dot is still on at speeds below 10mph as to warn you about it being inactive but in reverse it still operates for reverse detection even with the dot on

 

@toxo Hello again toxo. I'm sorry to be back in this old thread again, but I have a question. It is ... should my car's VIN be written to the SODL and SODR modules when they are configured as new modules? I am asking because I noticed just the other day when I was looking in the module information (the "##" button on the left side of the Service Functions screen) that the donor car's VIN is still in both the modules on my car. I ran the new module configuration again today, and no change. The side object detection seems to work okay but I doubt it is extending anywhere close to the full 7m to the rear or 2.5m to the side. Thanks for all your help thus far.

 

There is a warning when you run "Configure new <whatever> module" in SDD that it will not learn the VIN on a module that already has a VIN learnt, it will only work on new, blank modules. In my experience, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If you run the SDD session in diagnostics mode rather than service functions, and go through the symptoms selector thing to say there is a problem with the side impact detection, then click continue to look at recommended candidates/dtcs or whatever, an 'Extras' tab appears at the top. Under that you should find "Configure existing side object detection module" rather than "Configure new..." which can be used to overwrite a learnt VIN from another car.

At least that's how it is in SDD 1.54.

 

with mine we configured existing modules
it then writes new software onto them both so it knows which one is left and which one is right as both are the same module but have a different firmware written on them don’t know about the vin number but wouldn’t think it would make much difference to be honest with regards to distance it measures

 

@toxo I don't recall seeing any warnings ... strange. I'm using different (later) versions of SDD than you. I've run the configure existing modules routines as well, but with not change of the VIN stored in the modules. I plan to try that again.