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Old 12-31-2012, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Elbert Jones
Do any of you electronic gurus know if relays can be tested? I'm sure some type of meter has been developed to do thus easily.
Here is a "YouTube" link that takes you to several others:

 
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Elbert Jones
Anyone have part numbers for the two wiper relays.

The number is LJA6707AA. Jaguar number is 02C234433.

Try Here: http://www.gaudinjaguarparts.com/par...agramCallOut=4

or: Lja6707aa


I'll be ordering several of each and stash them in the trunk "Fuse Storage Compartment".
 

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I posted back in April 2011 where I had the same issue on my 2007 XJ8L. Dealer changed the motor assembly after several trips to fix the issue. Low and behold the same issue started again last week. I had it in for service yesterday and they had to change the motor assembly again. Dealer said there is a known problem with the motor assembly. They replaced it under my extended warranty which expires in April. Dealer said that job would normally cost around $500.
 
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:15 PM
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my 2008 XJ8l wiper also stops at 11 o'clock on auto or intermittant. I bought the car used. the records show the wiper motor was replaced 2 years ago. Thanks so much for the info about the relays. i will spend 20 and hope that works. A call to alpine jaguar in ft lauderdale fl told me to change the whole wiper motor again- over $1000- so I hope it is the relay. If we are all having the same issue, you would think they would know what it is.!! the guy said it is not a common problem. such an asswipe.
 
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I have posted a perhaps similar problem with the x350 wiper. The engine quits if the wiper is turned on. Have gone through replacing wiper stalk, cleaning drains, swapping relays, etc. Without any success. Several times that has been mentioned that it may be the ground. Still working on it but thought I would toss this out. Listed under my name and "Engine quits when wiper turned on" in X350 forum. Thanks. Take care
 
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:12 AM
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I discovered a workaround to the intermittent stoppage, at least for my car. I first put the wipers on the slow setting and then move to the intermittent setting. It almost seems like a logic error rather than a mechanical problem.
 
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:10 PM
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Try to switch the relay, if it works then it was the relay, if not then continue troubleshooting. I switched out my relay back in 2012 (I think) and the wipers are still working fine.
 
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:28 AM
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Default Intermittent Wiper Motor can be traced to failing battery

I purchased my 2004 XJ8 VDP with 60K. I was a clean car with the only issue is that the wipers would work intermittently on both low speed and intermittent mode.

At 103 K I replaced the battery. Note this was the original battery. For the life of me I don't know how a battery can last 11 years.

As a result, the wipers started working again. Note I tried everything listed in the forum short of replacing the motor. I replaced relays, checked grounds etc.

So for everyone out there struggling with this issue I recommend you have your battery checked.
 
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Had the same problem ever since a bad weather drive from Jindabyne to Eden over Brown Mountain. Wipers always start but please themselves when and where they stop after you switch them off. Got an auto electrician to check the relays, which were ok, so I ordered a replacement wiper motor assembly from a UK supplier ($A102 delivered to Oz), fitted the replacement motor and Bob's your uncle. Sweet.
The slide clips at the bottom of the assembly are a bit hard to access, used a spark plug socket on a fixed right angle socket arm to loosen the clip under the overhang.
 
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My '06 XJ8 had the same problem - wipers, usually on intermittent, had a mind of their own - stopping in the middle of the windscreen whenever they felt like it. It always took an off / on swipe of the stalk to get them to move again. I had the car into the dealer six times over the issue. They checked the ground, relays, etc., and eventually replaced the motor assembly and the entire wiring harness. Despite repeated calls by my Jag dealer's top technician to the Jag specialists at head office they could not discover a solution. I can't imagine what all their parts and labour cost as the car was under warranty. I would up accepting a generous trade in allowance and bought an '08 Vanden Plas which has been a great car for the past ten years. But guess what it started to do this week? Clearly this is a manufacturing defect Jaguar is well aware of and should be covered even after the factory warranty is over.
 
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This is an old thread but I wanted to correct all the bad information surrounding changing out the wiper motor on the 2004-2008 XJ?

First if you have any engine problems when the wipers are operating this is pointing to a ground problem. There are ground studs mounted by both headlights. You also have one for the wipers mounted back by the washer fill port back on the firewall.
They are fragile and will break if you look at them. So if you mess with them plan on replacing them with a SS bolt and lock washer.

I also had a wiper problem as they would stop mid-way on the single swipe mode. The shop manual and everyone else says the power brake booster as well as the master cylinder needs to be removed to replace the wiper motor.
I was able to remove the 4 bolts holding the wiper motor and bracket to the car. With these 4 bolts removed you can wiggle the assembly over to the center of the car and remove the wiper motor.




The 3 pink colored bolts are holding the wiper motor in. They are not easy to get to but MUCH less work then removing all the stuff the shop manual says to do!!




Here you can see the motor removed and laying under the bracket. As was posted before the factory wiper motor is somewhere around the $500-$800 range from Jaguar. Only rebuilt units are available aftermarket. I can get one for about $250 with a warranty. Please test it out BEFORE you bolt the new motor in as I got a bad one out of the box the first time. Had it partway installed before I thought to check it.

Again it's fiddly to get it all bolted together but take your time. It's worth it for sure!





All installed and working.




Take the engine cover off and the shield against the firewall. This was the hardest part as getting the plastic shield out and back in was awkward.
Here is the end of the bracket with the ground stud location.




Glad to have working wipers again!
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Nice work;
There is often a better, easier way if you look & study things closely.
This is the kind of trick that puts you ahead in the allotted man hrs for the job.
Tricks of the trade, mechanics really don't want you learn.
 
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Old 03-13-2020, 05:20 PM
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Hi clubairth1 , your input here is much appreciated . Can you share any tips on removing and re-installing the firewall shield. How may fastners will be expected etc. Also what was the source you used for the replacement motor. Cardone motor is the one I'm looking at. Much Thanks.
 
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Old 03-14-2020, 08:57 AM
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No but it went back in easier than it came out. It only has 4 plastic push pins holding it. I was trying to install it closer to the firewall but it comes out and over the back of the motor. So look at the attaching holes on the plastic and you can see what angle the shield is when it's installed.
Sorry not a great explanation!
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Old 03-14-2020, 06:31 PM
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Thanks for the reply clubairth1, the number of fastners was my main interest.
 
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Old 12-01-2020, 03:06 PM
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Is there enough room to remove the whole unit?

$435, plus tax delivered for the whole unit, from Jaguar, only way they sell it.

Called the local Auto Zone, they stopped selling the Cardone line of parts.

Too many problems with their quality of their stuff.

They will warranty the parts, but who wants to do it over???
 
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It's a ridiculous problem (me too just occasionally). Makes me wonder how long Ford has been making vehicles?...

An even worse one is the indicator stalk, which can turn the headlights off...on a dark and stormy night. Fortunately I've only ever had it happen under streetlights.
 

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Old 12-02-2020, 06:53 AM
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The question still lingers, will the whole unit come out without disconnecting the brake lines?
Seems that i have read you can't bleed the air from ABS unit without the fancy computer set up to operate the valves inside.
So without taking things apart first i just don't know which way to go.
A new unit is pricey, but you will do it once.
A rebuilt, or a used one from Flea bay, for less.
But you could have do it again, a few times.
As far as Ford making the unit, there may be a Jaguar patent on it.
Only option other than new, are rebuilds from only one mfg,
 

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Old 12-03-2020, 06:58 AM
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Looks like i will find out the answer my question.
As i have ordered one from a bone yard.
The whole unit delivered, with a six month warranty for $80.
A roll of the dice, hoping to do the job just once.
Either way, with the whole unit in hand, i will find the answer.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 07:56 AM
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Well I am not sure what you mean by the whole unit? I left the mounting bracket in place and removed just the wiper motor as my pictures show. You need to remove the mounting bracket bolts and slide/wiggle the entire assembly over. A bit hard to explain but the pictures should show how to do it. But the bracket will NOT come out without removing all the brake stuff.

A used one is a possibility but I looked at how much work was involved and went with a new aftermarket one. I do see other's saying the aftermarket motors are not very good and I also had a bad one out of the box but the second one is working fine. Plus it does have a warranty. Ordered it from O'reilly.
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