what are the differences between an XJ 12 and a diamler double six??

 

I can't speak to the details but the DD6 almost certainly has upper-level interior trim and the fluted grille.

There might be other differences depending on year and market.

Cheers
DD

 

The only difference in the XJ12 and the DD6 on the SII cars is the Daimler has the Vanden Plas bucket seats in the back and VDP seats in the front. Other than that, it is only badges, Daimler Fluted Grille and wheel options. The XJ12 was already upmarket trim from the XJ6 since it came with the VDP door panels already, but with reg. XJ 6 seats.

 

That was suppose to be SIII not SII in my prev. post...

 

Nothing mechanical.
The series 3 VDP is same as the Double 6 except for the badge,fluted grille & plinth.
Not many series 3 Daimler are around though since I've only come across right hand drive units sold in UK & Australia.
Cheers

 

This get tricky for several reasons, including use of the term "XJ12"....which is sometimes thrown around a bit loosely.

The early Ser III 12 cylinder cars were badged "XJ12" and were not particularly upscale compared to the (USA spec) XJ6. The Daimler cars got the upscale trim as would be expected, though.

In 82/83 the "XJ12" model and nameplate were dropped and the 12 cylinder Jaguars were upgraded to high level trim and rebadged as VDP/Sovereign/DD6 depending on market and year. You won't find the name "XJ12" on them. This was about the same time as the USA "VDP" was introduced.

In any case, the name "XJ12" was not used from about 1983 to 1993/94 when the XJ40 12 cylinder cars were introduced. Those cars, and the later "X300" XJ12s, were trimmed to high spec....although market variations still existed.

The Ser II "XJ12" cars were trimmed about the same as a (USA spec) XJ6. Only the Daimler variants got the the high-end trim, as far as I know...but my Ser II knowledge isn't very strong.

Cheers
DD

 

I never liked the Daimler grille in the Series III body. Looks kind of bulbous. Jaguar one is nicer

 

Really? I'm modifying a series 2 Daimler grille to fit onto my 89 VDP (it's the Canadian XJ12).
With the long center chrome trim on the hood, it stands out from the crowd.
Can't wait to post a picture when it's done
Cheers

 

What? SII grille on an XJ40?

 

No! No! The 6's were the XJ40 bodies yes but the series 3 XJ12 were built until 1991.
Not too many of them around these days
Cheers

 

As I said, the name "XJ12" gets thrown around loosely :-)

I don't think you caught my point so I'll try again.

I know that the Ser III V12 was made until 1991...but it wasn't called the "XJ12" after approx 1982. After that, and depending on market, it was called the Double six, Sovereign, or VandenPlas....but not "XJ12"....and, to go along with the fancy names, all of these had some variation of upscale trim compared to the prior "XJ12" model.

The "XJ12" model/nameplate reappeared when the V12 was put into the XJ40 body.

Cheers
DD

 

True Doug,
Didn't miss your point; mine is badged a VDP.
I wrote XJ12 because the VDP in the US is a 6; just wanted to distinguish the difference.
my previous 84 VDP had the better seats compared to my 89.
Wood is nicer (walnut) & the 4 chrome kick plates have better logos.
Mines has the optional BBS rims,
Cheers
Peter

 

Ok :-). I just didn't understand where the Ser III V12 production run came into the conversation, as it wasn't in question or dispute





Right. The '89 probably has (what I would call) "Sovereign" seats: similar (but not identical) to regular XJ6 seats.





One of the nice things about the '86-newer Ser IIIs...even the base XJ6s....were the small upgrades: polished sill plates, chrome seat handles, chrome door latch plates, chrome speaker grilles. Even the base cars got a wood strip in the door trim panles...not quite like the upper end cars but nicer than the plain panels of the previous base models.






Which look great on a Ser III !

Cheers
DD

 

Hi Doug,
All very well noted
Enjoying the conversation a lot; especially the fact I'm not at my buddy's shop.
It's all good
Cheers
Peter

 

Just to clarify, did the boot badge read "VDP" or "Van den Plas" on the Ser III 12 after ~82?

 

Hi,
It's in script " Vanden Plas"
Cheers
Peter

 

Wow, a 1991 V12 SIII. I had no idea they made them so recent. I doubt I'll ever see one in NZ though...

I keep seeing this car while browsing for-sale Jags:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-345404628.htm

Such a-lot of car for the money, and that SIII body

It's sorely tempting, but I couldn't afford to run it probably...

EDIT: Should this forum's sub-title be '1969-1991', not '1969-1987' then

 

No such thing as "Sovereign" seats: All Jag Sedan seats to the 1994 productions (when FORD handed over Jag. interiors to LEAR) were made in house and were ither the flatter base seats as came standard in US XJ6 or the high end seats with buckets in the back as the VDP. As mentioned earlier, for ROW markets Jag did all sorts of mixing and matching of base XJ and VDP interior bits to create the XJ12 and Sovereign, XJ6 and VDP interiors. American VDP were first introduced here for M.Y. 1982 without rear seat headrests and without dash trip computer. Then in 1983 Jag did a interior refresh on the XJ and VDP by adding rear seat headrests to the VDP and new center middle console with more wood and a trip computer along with the leaper in chrome in the new center. 1986 M.Y. again got a refresh as mentioned already. CHMSL, chrome sill plates.more chrome bits on the interior along with new JAGUAR and XJ script on the trunk( BOOT ) lid.
Also why would you have to modify a S2 Daimler grille to fit a S3,, it is a direct bolt on..the hoods are identical, and that is one of my favourite looks, I converted a early S3 US Xj6 to full Daimler Sov. trim years ago with the chrome center strip and grille and all. In Atlantic Blue Met with Biscuit int. it was beautiful.

 

You're correct and I shouldn't have said "Sovereign" seat.

What I should've said is "The seat used when the car is a Ser III V12, badged "VDP", but the interior is trimmed more like a Sovereign" seat :-)

(This is getting silly <grin>)



You're forgetting the third design...the "small" seat!

Next time you're at a big Jag event bring your tape measure and look for some '87-newer (maybe 88-newer?) Ser III V12s that *don't* have the flat seats. (If you're in N. American these will most likely be Canadian VDPs...which basically were Sovereigns with a couple upgrades). Now...measure the actual size of the seats. The seat cushion, specifically :-).



Cheers
DD

 

Yikes ! [that's a "yikes" on me not a "yikes" on you :-)]

To clarify (or perhaps confuse) the issue, I consider the "high end seats with buckets in the back as the VDP" to be the "flat seats" because of the flat appearance, like this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-345404628.htm

Jeeez...this is confusing enough without crossing wires on terminology !

Cheers
DD