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Originally Posted by Tervuren View Post
I was referring specifically to the 5.0L cars.

I have never seen anything with the normally aspirated 5.0L engine that would give me concern deep enough to not buy if I was otherwise interested.

Yes there are water pumps that may need replacing, and a coolant part here or there, but overall; most especially compared to my other older cars that I own the 5.0L XK/XKR seem to have a good track record.
The more I learn about the 5.0L SC cars, the more I am glad I didn't jump right in. I still might get one with time, but there appears to be more things to learn before making an informed decision. I appreciate what you said though as nice starting points in my 5.0L SC car research!
 
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Land Rover US truck sales figures

In 2017 Evoque - 56,834 sold
In 2017 Range Rover Sport - 26,052 sold

Mazda MX-5 Miata US car sales figures
In 2017 Mazda MX-5 Miata - 11,294 sold
Wow, I cant believe you wrote that.
Do you know that the MX5 holds the world record as the best-selling two-seat sports car in history!!
Try 1000000.
They also manufacture the same car for Fiat.
So you better believe the bank will give them any amount of money they need to tool the MX5- its a proven success as the best ever.

 
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The more I learn about the 5.0L SC cars, the more I am glad I didn't jump right in.
Just that small thing the SC on the 5.0 helps it crossover that crucial threshold and join other sports cars.
You can get a visual aid of the SC at the 4.30mark on the video below.
 
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Do you know that the MX5 holds the world record as the best-selling two-seat sports car in history!!
Sure, because they have been around since 80s. Sound I also add all Range Rovers ever made, despite them not being the same car mechanically or otherwise?

I understand that realizing that you have a fragile car is unsettling, but arguing in bad faith won't change that. You now in the know, so what are you going to do about it?

I told you relevant information - thermal events (i.e. overheating) kills these engines. Make sure you don't overheat your engine, be religious about coolant level and coolant changes, pressure test your cooling system occasionally, and treat minor coolant leaks as a serious event and you likely will be fine. Fragile isn't the same as doomed (i.e. E60 M5 rod bearings). Fragile is a wine glass, you can handle one without breaking it, right?

 
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Duplicate post.
 

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You also should look into Range Rover, they reported serious engine issues with liners getting dislodged from blocks, requiring full tear-down and a new engine block to address.
I realized I didn't provide relevant links:

All you ever wanted to know about . . Land Rover V8 Engine Failures - JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog

Should You Rebuild or Replace Your Land Rover V8? - JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog

Itís said that the production tooling had worn out but Rover continued to use it. However it happened, the result was a series of engines whose internal clearances were at the wear limits before they even left the factory. Internal balancing was abandoned to save costs, and finish quality dropped
Very damning quote, don't you think?


 
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As someone who spent many years with a small Italian racing team, I must ask a simple question. If British automotive engineering is so poor, why are nearly all the Formula One cars designed and or built in the UK?

 
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As someone who spent many years with a small Italian racing team, I must ask a simple question. If British automotive engineering is so poor, why are nearly all the Formula One cars designed and or built in the UK?

Dont know that they have to worry about a Formula One car being driven for 15K miles a year in stop and go traffic? Dont know any Formula One car with 150k miles on the speedometer either.
 
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Jaguar values drop so fast that you have to hope the buyer is as dumb as I was. I traded my 2017 Nisan 370Z with 33k miles for a 2007 Jaguar XK (that originally cost upward of $60k) with luxury options, great wheels and low profile tires with just 29K miles. I fell in love with its looks and interior, traded my 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, and now find that the dealers here value the 2007 Jaguar XK at $13k, where carmax was ready to give me $19k for my Nissan.

I paid or received no $$ trading my Nissan 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, now have to pay $10k to get a similar Nissan 370Z for the Jaguar.
 
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Jaguar values drop so fast that you have to hope the buyer is as dumb as I was. I traded my 2017 Nisan 370Z with 33k miles for a 2007 Jaguar XK (that originally cost upward of $60k) with luxury options, great wheels and low profile tires with just 29K miles. I fell in love with its looks and interior, traded my 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, and now find that the dealers here value the 2007 Jaguar XK at $13k, where carmax was ready to give me $19k for my Nissan.

I paid or received no $$ trading my Nissan 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, now have to pay $10k to get a similar Nissan 370Z for the Jaguar.
Yes, but are you happy you did it?
 
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When I bought my Jaguar XK I knew I would not be able to turn around and sell it for similar.

What the car brought was worth it to me.
 
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To be a Jaguar owner, you have to love Jaguars. Not think they're pretty, or cool, or whatever. No. You have to LOVE them. A Jag is not a car that you just choose on a whim while perusing the used car lot. A Jag owner goes in search of a Jag specifically.

However, Jags are not even that unreliable anymore. You just can't be a lazy owner. You have to keep up with your maintenance and vigilance. Outside of warranty, unless you're made of money, a Jag is not for someone who can't or won't get his/her hands dirty. A friend of mine wanted me to sell him my old X350 and I refused because I knew he wouldn't care enough to be able to handle it. He just wanted a fancy-looking car.

Depreciation is what allows me to buy a supercharged luxury vehicle, now with over 600hp with some relatively inexpensive bolt-ons, for less than the price of a new Honda. So I'm all for depreciation!

All that being said, if you want to hear about true unreliability, go read the BMW and Mercedes forums. The quality of German cars is the biggest lie ever told in the automotive world.
 
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Jaguar values drop so fast that you have to hope the buyer is as dumb as I was. I traded my 2017 Nisan 370Z with 33k miles for a 2007 Jaguar XK (that originally cost upward of $60k) with luxury options, great wheels and low profile tires with just 29K miles. I fell in love with its looks and interior, traded my 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, and now find that the dealers here value the 2007 Jaguar XK at $13k, where carmax was ready to give me $19k for my Nissan.

I paid or received no $$ trading my Nissan 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, now have to pay $10k to get a similar Nissan 370Z for the Jaguar.
You were not dumb when you fell in love with the XK; you were dumbstruck by its gorgeous looks and interior. There's a difference.

You probably failed to adequately do your due diligence in order to negotiate a lower price from the seller. But he had you right from the start, because your emotions got the better of you. Low mileage, almost flawless appearance - love at first sight and you knew it was a rare opportunity that you didn't want to lose. Does that make you dumb?

Ask the man who's paying alimony!
 
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Dont know that they have to worry about a Formula One car being driven for 15K miles a year in stop and go traffic? Dont know any Formula One car with 150k miles on the speedometer either.
I suspected the responses might be 'what is formula one'.
The proving grounds of engineering.

For instance our British built XK has an aluminum monocoque (pronounced mono ****). The skeleton and body are integral.
Pioneered by Lotus of UK...started winning races.
Now used all F1 cars and all serious sports cars.

A F1 engine is subjected to equivalent stresses of 100,000 miles in just 1minute of running- its run at 17,000 rpm, you would destroy a pedestrian engine in seconds.

15kmiles of stop and go traffic is nothing.
Cab drivers know this, and why they just go buy the cheapest car they can, which is usually a police cruiser that has already done 200k of stop and go traffic and constant idling like your uncle was paying or the gas.

 
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Dont know that they have to worry about a Formula One car being driven for 15K miles a year in stop and go traffic? Dont know any Formula One car with 150k miles on the speedometer either.
What they do have to worry about is the stresses to the design when being pushed to the limit for two or more hours. Practice sessions and the actual race is the equivalent of several thousand miles on a street vehicle.

If the vaunted German engineering is so much better, why not have all the racing cars built in Germany?
 
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Jaguar values drop so fast that you have to hope the buyer is as dumb as I was. I traded my 2017 Nisan 370Z with 33k miles for a 2007 Jaguar XK (that originally cost upward of $60k) with luxury options, great wheels and low profile tires with just 29K miles. I fell in love with its looks and interior, traded my 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, and now find that the dealers here value the 2007 Jaguar XK at $13k, where carmax was ready to give me $19k for my Nissan.

I paid or received no $$ trading my Nissan 370z for the 2007 Jaguar XK, now have to pay $10k to get a similar Nissan 370Z for the Jaguar.
Yes you are slightly dumb. I even tried to help you and warn you of this exact thing.
The best thing you can do is now try to get smart and listen to people.

Is it dumb to buy that car- no.
But its is with the emotions you have- worried about reliability and depreciation. NO 10 year old car is good for someone with those emotions.

The choice you have is perhaps change your thinking and be becoming of a Jaguar.
You would not be alone in this, just about anyone who buys an exotic or a vintage embraces this.
Moreover your concerns are even dumber. You are worried about things that havent materialized yet and may never materialize. (You may never trade this car) At a time you should be enjoying.
 

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Just that small thing the SC on the 5.0 helps it crossover that crucial threshold and join other sports cars.
You can get a visual aid of the SC at the 4.30mark on the video below.
What I meant was that I'm glad I didn't go in blind on a 5L car. I like to know worst cases before I enter into things. I feel, and at the time of purchase felt, very comfortable with the pluses and minuses of the 4.2L SC cars. With time, I may also have that comfort with the tradeoffs on the 5.0L SC cars; but due to a lack of knowledge, I don't feel that way yet.
 
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The choice you have is perhaps change your thinking and be becoming of a Jaguar.
You would not be alone in this, just about anyone who buys an exotic or a vintage embraces this.
Moreover your concerns are even dumber. You are worried about things that havent materialized yet and may never materialize. (You may never trade this car) At a time you should be enjoying.
It's also not like owning a relatively new Nissan 370Z, admittedly a very dated new vehicle in 2017, would have been a great long term resale candidate either. Nissans have MUCH worse resale than Toyota/Honda/Subaru. The guy made a bonehead move financially on the trade, but really it's a drop in the bucket in life. Call it a 10k$ loss. That's far from world ending, especially on toy cars!

 
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Zahmed,
You are being hoodwinked again when you believe the dealer offering you $13k for the XK.
Try to find one to buy of that price. You wont. The price you find is the price you should have paid.
You basically paid $19k. Which is a damn good price to get from a Jaguar lover. And it has its perks as in the car has been loved.

But do tell us how he found you so we can have such luck in the future.
 
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To be a Jaguar owner, you have to love Jaguars. Not think they're pretty, or cool, or whatever. No. You have to LOVE them. A Jag is not a car that you just choose on a whim while perusing the used car lot. A Jag owner goes in search of a Jag specifically.
I don't buy Jaguar to save money or promote utility first. It's all about looks and the sensory attraction the marque has. Unfortunately and they are progressively losing that attraction with each iteration.
 
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