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Engine failure. What are my best options?

 
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On a car that is a decade or so old, that you didn't own from new and religiously maintained... I am not so sure this is avoidable.
On the cheap Kia / Hyundai type direct injected cars, folks have been able to solve this decade long neglect with cleaning. Forums are full of success stories.

I cannot imagine there is no scientific reason an injector cannot be cleaned completely.
 
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DI engines tend to wear down timing chain due to carbon micro-dust. This can be largely mitigated by more frequent oil changes.
The same thing is getting in the injector.


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Are there any common issues to be aware of, or recommended maintenance
Replace the differential fluid.
Replace the transmission fluid.
 
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....... or a Veyron???

https://youtu.be/4NJmB1F2mdE
Now that's funny! Probably on the phone...
 
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The same thing is getting in the injector.




Replace the differential fluid.
Replace the transmission fluid.
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Now that's funny! Probably on the phone...
Actually that particular owner got caught in an Insurance Fraud case, he'd insured his Veyron for almost double what he paid then drove it into the lake on purpose.
Now he's out the car AND the insurance.
 
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The shop confirmed a fuel injector issue, as many of you suggested. They're going to replace the injectors from one bank and do a few other maintenance items that I've not had time to do myself. With luck, the car will drive as good as new in short order.
 
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Thanks a lot guys. I was going to offer $100 to haul it away for the OP. Now look what you did. Thanks. Just thanks.
 
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Ha Ha, I know for a fact that you're much more honest than that!
 
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tractioninc,
That's great news, not entirely unexpected as some of us have had similar issues, but your car should be good as new in short order. Aren't you glad you joined this great forum?
 
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Originally Posted by tractioninc View Post
The shop confirmed a fuel injector issue.

 
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tractioninc,
That's great news, not entirely unexpected as some of us have had similar issues, but your car should be good as new in short order. Aren't you glad you joined this great forum?
Yes, the fact that it was an injector issue is indeed great news, but many of us already deduced that from reading the symptom description in the original message...now, perhaps the title of the thread could have the word "solved!" added to it? The current title ("Engine failure") is (unintentionally) misleading in the extreme, discouraging for those who are scanning the threads while considering buying one of these beautiful machines, and very exciting for the trolls who love to spread stories about the (purportedly) unreliable Jaguar marque.
 
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Carbon build up is common in these cars. So, I suggest you put in in sportmode often or go with paddles to get your revs up. Most of us are old guys that pussyfoot our accelators to not stress the engine🙄, and barely drive to keep the mileage down. I used to fret about It too, but life is short. Keep your revs up, and the mileage too. Im very happy for ya!
 
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Carbon build up is common in these cars. So, I suggest you put in in sportmode often or go with paddles to get your revs up. Most of us are old guys that pussyfoot our accelators to not stress the engine��, and barely drive to keep the mileage down. I used to fret about It too, but life is short. Keep your revs up, and the mileage too. Im very happy for ya!
Sport mode and shifters.. ALWAYS. I'm at 105,000 Kms and running so fine.
 
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Carbon build up is common in these cars. So, I suggest you put in in sportmode often or go with paddles to get your revs up. Most of us are old guys that pussyfoot our accelators to not stress the engine🙄, and barely drive to keep the mileage down. I used to fret about It too, but life is short. Keep your revs up, and the mileage too. Im very happy for ya!
My dad's friend owns one of the highest mileage Lamborghini Diablos out there. He's done track days, rallys, just tooling around, daily driving, everything. He bought it new in 1994 (94 VT) and it has between 90 and 100k now. He's hit a deer and fixed it. He's rebuilt the top end (valve guides, seals, etc). Two clutch jobs. It's really in beautiful shape as when something happens, he generally overdoes it making it right and better (but original). When I've worked on this car, he's always been about "while you're there", just like me. Radiator failed means every cooling hose gets replaced and likely things like water pumps, thermostats and gaskets get replaced. Worn ball joints? Every front end piece gets addressed. It keeps older cars reliable and fun to drive.

His advice is that you buy and enjoy it. His car is actually worth near the price he paid new and he just says that's nice, but he's not selling, although I keep telling him to give me an opportunity to put in an offer if he does! The cars that are REALLY collectible generally don't matter what the mileage is. Think - Does anyone care the mileage on a Ferrari 250GTO, a Mercedes 540K Special Roadster, a Bugatti Type 41? Do they care if you stomped the load pedal on occasion?

Drive it. Drive it hard, which is not abusing it. Don't do neutral dumps or brake stands (well regularly), but feel free to spin the tires a little, whip it around a corner, nail it up to triple digits, etc. Just get on it and when it breaks or wears, fix it. You own it. It does not own you.
 
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I picked my car up this afternoon -- it drives very well, with no more codes. Since only one bank of injectors were replaced I'll be using fuel additive and keeping an eye out for further symptoms.

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Carbon build up is common in these cars. So, I suggest you put in in sportmode often or go with paddles to get your revs up. Most of us are old guys that pussyfoot our accelators to not stress the engine��, and barely drive to keep the mileage down. I used to fret about It too, but life is short. Keep your revs up, and the mileage too. Im very happy for ya!
That's my M.O. already, I love hear this car rev!

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...perhaps the title of the thread could have the word "solved!" added to it? The current title ("Engine failure") is (unintentionally) misleading in the extreme, discouraging for those who are scanning the threads while considering buying one of these beautiful machines, and very exciting for the trolls who love to spread stories about the (purportedly) unreliable Jaguar marque.
Makes sense to me. A thread title such as ''Suspected engine failure. What are my best options? (SOLVED)" would be entirely appropriate.
 

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If you wouldn't mind, what was the total cost to have the injectors replaced?

I paid $1800 but had some additional service completed, like a tranny pan/filter/fluid and some extra inspections and such. I think the total for Injector Replacement was right at $1200.
 

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Congratulations on getting your car back in good order. Those of us who have experienced similar symptoms were confident you'd be all right.
HAPPY DRIVING!
 
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The cars that are REALLY collectible generally don't matter what the mileage is.
Unfortunately, it absolutely does. Unless we are speaking about something ultra-rare, with less than a dozen examples worldwide that is already valued in millions and will be rebuilt to original spec anyways.

I am 100% behind "just drive it", but people who buy cars as investments approach it differently. I also wish car investment wasn't a thing, as it inflates values of classic cars. There are a lot more cars I couldn't possibly ever afford to drive than even a decade earlier. I am hopeful as more boomers croak that investment car market crashes and I will be able to get some cars from my bucket list.
 
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Unfortunately, it absolutely does. Unless we are speaking about something ultra-rare, with less than a dozen examples worldwide that is already valued in millions and will be rebuilt to original spec anyways.

I am 100% behind "just drive it", but people who buy cars as investments approach it differently. I also wish car investment wasn't a thing, as it inflates values of classic cars. There are a lot more cars I couldn't possibly ever afford to drive than even a decade earlier. I am hopeful as more boomers croak that investment car market crashes and I will be able to get some cars from my bucket list.
That is exactly what I meant. My dad used to work on restoration teams that would restore these tityp of cars. Cars where the examples are catalogued in books per car and possibly referred to even by the name of the most infamous owner. Prewar classics like 500/540Ks, SJs, etc.

When I was a kid he had some nice cars that were desirable but not blue chip, 63 SWC Corvette, 68 L88 Corvette Convertible, 70 Challenger 440-6 Convertible, 1962 E Type OTS. He bought when they weren't relatively worth squat because he liked them, drove them, fixed them, and sold when they became too rich for his blood in the nineties. Unless they were ultra low mileage but preserved unused cars, they were expected to have some level of restoration. Mileage was relatively unimportant compared to current state and originality of repair.

My question is, who really enjoys owning a car twenty to forty years, not driving it, to hopefully get more money for it? A 1961 E Type at $5600 credits an S&P index investment of the same value would have the index return 39 times initial investment, or $220k. In that time, you didn't have any of the cost of ownership of a car. You might find cars that beat the market, you might not, but not driving most X150s is not going to create that scenario.
 
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If you wouldn't mind, what was the total cost to have the injectors replaced?

I paid $1800 but had some additional service completed, like a tranny pan/filter/fluid and some extra inspections and such. I think the total for Injector Replacement was right at $1200.
diagnosis and replacement of 4 injectors was billed at about $1350, but the other work I requested put the bill at over $3000. I feel that the work was done well and the labor charges were fair, but the parts prices I was charged were in line with what local dealers charge; notably more than I would have paid had I ordered them myself.
 
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