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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 10:40 AM
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Can you fit 305s on your rears with H&R springs and still not rub? What brand wheels are you running?

For what it's worth, with the H& R springs I was able to get back to factory specs all around at an alignment shop. Turn in is razor sharp as it is, and push is minimal at the speeds I've been hitting on "back roads." But no track yet, and that's where the rubber hits the road, so to speak. That opportunity will be a function of some serious domestic diplomacy.
I had to switch to 295 rears as the 305s were rubbing very slightly. The Pilot Super Sports bulge out a bit so the fitment is very tight. I could have run P-Zero at 305 but prefer a predictable tire.

I also could have gone with a ET45 rear offset instead of ET40 but then the wheels would sit in too much and not look as flush as they do now
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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I don't think you can tell much from the numbers, but I do like his approach to improving the alignment for your performance oriented needs, and using your feedback for future adjustments. There's always going to be some street vs track trade offs with camber and tire wear, but you accept that. If you went with a coil-over set-up you'd be able to adjust ride height, corner balance and adjust alignment more than is possible with just the shorter springs, but hopefully you'll be satisfied with this alignment and not feel the need for a more dramatic change.

Looking forward to more driving impressions on both the street and track. Enjoy!

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His approach is what impressed me, he spent more time talking to me and driving my car then actually aligning the car. This was not a pep boys alignment where you watch TV and drink cold coffee.

Coilover will be here in January but I'll be honest unless it doesn't feel good on the track I'm pretty happy with it. The track will get interesting when it comes to dampers working well with the H&R spring rates. So far there is no bounce/rebound even with dynamic mode turned off but that can all change through a 140MPH sweeper with a slight dip in it. AkA the old front straight at Road Atlanta... Nothing like coming around a corner onto the front straight at 150MPH to only hit a huge dip... Freaking scary!
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 11:34 AM
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So far there is no bounce/rebound even with dynamic mode turned off but that can all change through a 140MPH sweeper with a slight dip in it. AkA the old front straight at Road Atlanta... Nothing like coming around a corner onto the front straight at 150MPH to only hit a huge dip... Freaking scary!
That's one of my favorite tracks, with the down-hill esses and T9 kink making the back straight interesting...and the pucker inducing 100' drop looking down into T12 and the front straight. I just wish it was closer...and not in danger of becoming a housing subdivision.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 11:50 AM
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If they make that a subdivision it would be a tragedy! That track is amazing and one of my favorites.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 12:01 PM
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Mid Ohio is one track I'm dying to drive in a really fast car. I've heard its amazingly fast and also very technical in certain sections.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Mid Ohio is one track I'm dying to drive in a really fast car. I've heard its amazingly fast and also very technical in certain sections.
You'll hit 140+ on the slightly downhill straight, but I think it generally feels faster than it is because it is tight and technical. I spent 2 days there with PCA in my Supra TT, but really needed the second day to have some fun after a steep learning curve. It feels like the track doesn't have a rhythm...and then all of a sudden it does! You'll love it.

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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 02:13 PM
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Thank you Bruce, I'll have to plan a track day to Mid Ohio next year!
 
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 09:39 AM
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My car went in to the dealer for service today and a TPMS fault. I am going ahead with the alignment specs that MaximA provided, but with -1.5 rear camber on each side if possible.

Hopefully they can get it close.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 10:55 AM
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Let me know what you think.. If your car isn't lowered you should be ok on the rear camber.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 06:30 PM
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Well they didn't do as good a job as I was hoping on the camber.

Fronts

-1.2 and -1.4

Rears

-1.0 and -1.5

Took out the toe in the front and adjusted it in the back.

Overall my original specs werent off by much except front left was -.6 camber and now it is -1.2 so thats a bit better. Looks like I will have to take it to a better shop if I want to see -2 upfront and -1.5's in the rear.

Worst of all, the dealership cracked my front splitter and a corner piece of the side aero bit (not sure what its called). That piece and the splitter were ordered but man, what the heck. Sucks!
 

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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 07:17 PM
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My alignment is a race shop and they said the Jags not easy to align he was fighting to keep that caster at 8.0

Sorry for the damage on the car that is a pain everytime it happens

Hows the car feel to you with the 0 degree toe?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 07:30 PM
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It feels pretty snappy. I did the same type of alignment to the 911S a few years ago...Makes a nice difference. The alignment itself feels good but I am still disappointed that they jacked my car up. I had a TPMS system fault and they cleared it, then drove 60 miles to see if it would return...They didnt even ask me if that was okay. That seems a bit excessive to me.

To top it off on my way home the fuel light comes on...at least put some gas in my car after you smash it...sheesh.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2014 | 07:44 PM
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WOW I can't believe the Jag dealer did this! Thats horrible, sorry to hear that!
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt in Houston
Well they didn't do as good a job as I was hoping on the camber.

Fronts

-1.2 and -1.4

Rears

-1.0 and -1.5

Took out the toe in the front and adjusted it in the back.

Overall my original specs werent off by much except front left was -.6 camber and now it is -1.2 so thats a bit better. Looks like I will have to take it to a better shop if I want to see -2 upfront and -1.5's in the rear.

Worst of all, the dealership cracked my front splitter and a corner piece of the side aero bit (not sure what its called). That piece and the splitter were ordered but man, what the heck. Sucks!
I could live with those numbers. You do know that the rear cambers are NOT adjustable, right? All you can do there is adjust to toe setting for any change of cornering behavior.

At least your numbers are "fairly" consistent. On my Jaguars the factory settings have been all over the place, as if the factory adjusted them by eye-sight only. On the XF the max front camber I can get on one side is -0.3, which is ridiculous. Their quality control is not that great when it comes to suspension specs.

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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:45 AM
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I could live with those numbers. You do know that the rear cambers are NOT adjustable, right? All you can do there is adjust to toe setting for any change of cornering behavior.

At least your numbers are "fairly" consistent. On my Jaguars the factory settings have been all over the place, as if the factory adjusted them by eye-sight only. On the XF the max front camber I can get on one side is -0.3, which is ridiculous. Their quality control is not that great when it comes to suspension specs.

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Actually, I forgot about the rear camber not being adjustable...Honestly I was on tilt from the moment they told me "Sir, we had a problem with your car...please follow me..."

Anyway, the car felt great driving home but truly my mind was in other places; I was just trying to keep calm from what I had just seen. I can't stand incompetence and there is no excuse. They should have had a spotter or somebody watching the front end when driving down the ramps. Also the 60+ mile excursion to empty what was left in my fuel tank still has me shaking my head.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 11:48 AM
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My camber is where it is due to the lowering, and I was told of a rear camber kit for the car but can't seem to find one. I'll chat with one of the race shops here and see if they can figure out a way to adjust the rear camber without reengineering the rear end.

I can't believe the dealer of all places would do that to your car. That is completely unacceptable and they should offer you some free service or anything to offset that disaster.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 12:47 PM
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I was busy at work this morning but had time to email them to voice my disappointment. The service manager called me and again said how apologetic they are and they had made a mistake that should not have happened. They are refunding me the cost of the alignment and he told me to bring in the car on empty and they will fill her up with gas. He truly seemed genuine, so no hard feelings. He said they will do everything they can to make it right. They had a few nice Jaguar golf shirts up there, maybe they will toss one in with a hat or something.

I understand crap happens sometimes...but people in that profession really should be more careful and vigilant with other people's cars.

Thanks again for the alignment specs. I think the toe changes made a nice difference.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 01:04 PM
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Glad to hear the dealer was receptive to your problem, breaking a customers car and taking it on a 60 mile drive are excessive.

Glad to hear the alignment was positive, I plan on getting another alignment week after next with the coilovers and will let them drive the car more aggressively(no TCS) to see if he get can get any of the cars "bad habits" fixed though the alignment. Then she should be ready to go!
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 06:30 PM
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So I looked at my last alignment settings and appears my toe is .05 up front for both sides. Pretty darn close to 0 wouldn't you think. Also if anything I have a bit of positive toe. So I wouldn't get any sharper on turn in by dialing in some negative toe to get back to 0.

Guess I've already been enjoying a performance alignment!
 
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 07:05 PM
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As fas as front toe your fine. What is your rear toe? Some negative rear toe gives you better traction under acceleration out of corners.

The camber really won't make a difference until you start hard cornering, and I doubt you'll hit this in regular street driving.
 
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