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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 10:39 PM
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Jaguar Confirms Wicked Project 7 for Production – Video – Car and Driver
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 06:18 AM
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mehh .... souped up F Type with 25 more horses ... only 250 made .... this will be close to $150K ....
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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Check this out Chris......

Jaguar XK XKR s GT 1 of 25 | eBay

I am sure this is quite fast, and probably a lot less than Project 7.

At least you can dream!
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 08:26 AM
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The Project 7 is gorgeous... Wish it were under 3500 LBS
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 08:31 AM
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Will they got me its 3494.327LBS which is a huge improvement over the regular F-Type.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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Will they got me its 3494.327LBS which is a huge improvement over the regular F-Type.
I just don't see how they could get the weight down that much. Don't forget that the factory claims for the F-type V8 were around 3650 lbs, a good 300 lbs less than what it turned out to be. Special editions may shave off a 100 lbs without too much compromise but, not 500.

To me, the stance of the 7 does not work. It sits too tall, too high from the ground. Looks like a 4-wheel drive :-). They really need to bring it down for more visual, ground-hugging effects.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 11:36 AM
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except for the humpback just not distinct enough ...
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 12:35 PM
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mehh .... souped up F Type with 25 more horses ... only 250 made .... this will be close to $150K ....
At least 150k.......but with the XKR retiring, I don't see anything else out there that is as appealing to me as the F-type
 
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Old Jun 25, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by richzak
Check this out Chris......

Jaguar XK XKR s GT 1 of 25 | eBay

I am sure this is quite fast, and probably a lot less than Project 7.

At least you can dream!
I agree. And its still an XKR!!! It may be easier to get a XKR GT in the long run than a project 7 anyway though both are in short supply. Pretty clever marketing if you ask me. Short supply usually means higher demand......charge more money.
 

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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by axr6
I just don't see how they could get the weight down that much. Don't forget that the factory claims for the F-type V8 were around 3650 lbs, a good 300 lbs less than what it turned out to be. Special editions may shave off a 100 lbs without too much compromise but, not 500.

To me, the stance of the 7 does not work. It sits too tall, too high from the ground. Looks like a 4-wheel drive :-). They really need to bring it down for more visual, ground-hugging effects.
I agree the factory weights must be dry as even with my car losing 60LBS with the new brakes its still 3900 wet with a me in it and I'm 165LBS.

You guys have talked me into an F1000 Just doing my research and waiting for the right car.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MaximA
...You guys have talked me into an F1000 Just doing my research and waiting for the right car.
Good decision to go for a dedicated race car. However, I must do a disclaimer for not being one to talk you into an F1000. When I switched from a GT 2/3 class racing car to a Formula Mazda I did it for wanting to be in, what I considered, an ultimate-handling race car. I truly did not turn out that way.

I must say that in retrospect I enjoyed my GT car more. Make that the much higher degree of safety for being surrounded by a protective cage AND more predictable handling. The GT car was simply nowhere near as fussy in its handling as the open wheel race car. If I had to throw in some numbers, I'd say that the GT car, once set-up correctly, handled well 80-90 percent of the time on the track. The formula car, on the other hand, handled well maybe 25 percent of the time, its handling changing much more noticeably due to tire wear, track temperatures, track configurations etc...

I found myself actually "wrestling" with the formula car and cussing it out much of the time for handling like a "PIG". Given how much more cornering power it had over the GT car it also contributed to much more body wear and tear. It was simply much more work to drive it than the GT car. Not even talking about the fact that it took me about a year to get used to the fact that that formula car's braking distances were nearly half of the GT car. I remember being first terrified at having to scream-by my well rehearsed braking points ahead of corners with the foot still solidly planted on the floor. You lift early and 3 cars pass you under braking.

Not sure what the chassis construction is for the F1000 but, the FM was thinwall square-tubing that was obviously going to collapse in a frontal collision. We had two deadly accidents in my group while I was racing. In one, a guy back-endered an other FM during braking and climbed on top of the front car, squashing the driver to death. In the other, at Sears Point, the FM brakes misbehaved under very heavy braking into turn 11, car got sideways and hit the pitwall entry-wall, wrapping around it. Dead driver, again. In both cases a GT driver would more than likely had survived.

I was kind of glad when I decided to retire from racing, mainly on the account of not liking the formula car that much. If I ever went back to racing again, likely it would be an other GT style car.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 10:02 AM
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The safety aspect is what scares me about the formula cars as GTs are much safer, but I'm really want a car with a decent amount of downforce and light weight.

The accidents you described are exactly the ones I'm afraid of, or suspension piece breaking at speed. In a GT car you walk away with scratches, in a formula car you probably will not be so lucky.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximA
The safety aspect is what scares me about the formula cars as GTs are much safer, but I'm really want a car with a decent amount of downforce and light weight.

The accidents you described are exactly the ones I'm afraid of, or suspension piece breaking at speed. In a GT car you walk away with scratches, in a formula car you probably will not be so lucky.
You got that right Max. I can say with total confidence that, at least one of my accidents in the GT car would have been very difficult to survive in the FM. I walked away from the GT car following that head-on, high speed crash into a concrete barrier.

I remember going through corners at super high speeds in the formula car with incredible grip and g-forces and wondering how those delicate aluminum suspension arms and ball joints would stand up to that much force, as well as wondering about the consequences of them breaking... :-). Usually you wonder about those things while you running by yourself as if there are racers next to you, your attention is on them, instead of on the "what ifs".

Once you step it up and get a car with tunnel downforce (Formula Atlantic) then there is a heck of a lot more downforce, a heck of a lot more speeds through corners and a heck of a lot harder hits in case of accidents. Lot of racers stepping up from simple wing downforce to tunnel downforce can never make the adjustment to so much higher cornering speeds. A FA car with tunnels can develop over 2000 lbs of downforce at 140 MPH. An FM car is closer to, maybe, 400 lbs with steep wing angles. HUGE difference. What that suggest is that you could drive a 1300 lbs FA race car upside down at 140 MPH on a ceiling and have the suction hold you to that ceiling without falling off :-).

I, at one point, was thinking about constructing tunnel downforce to my FM and entering it into the unlimited racing class but, chickened out; what if my engineering, in absence of air-tunnel testing, would not hold up and I would loose downforce at some insane speeds and the car would become and airplane... seen that happen...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 09:05 PM
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I hate this thing. What an insult to the D-Type.

I am still waiting for a manual transmission to appear on a production Jaguar. I could be waiting quite a long time...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by amcdonal86
I hate this thing. What an insult to the D-Type.

I am still waiting for a manual transmission to appear on a production Jaguar. I could be waiting quite a long time...
There's a place called Donovan Jaguar in Ct. that will put a 6 speed manual transmission in an XK or XKR if you want to pay the price and I bet they will put one in an F-Type.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 09:53 PM
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I agree with Alan, I'd much rather see a 6 speed manual in an F type than trying emulate the D type with a wannabe...They'd sell more cars and give the general population of Jag enthusiasts product of substance. I just don't get the apparent arrogance of JNA...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 10:09 PM
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I think they are trying to rekindle the images of Jaguar's Le Mans-winning history, without actually trying to win any races. We'll see how this works for them...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jagtoes
There's a place called Donovan Jaguar in Ct. that will put a 6 speed manual transmission in an XK or XKR if you want to pay the price and I bet they will put one in an F-Type.
Well, if it costs approximately $5k for my E-Type, I can imagine the XK would be $10K, Whew! I forgot about Donovan. I met those guys at Summit Point a number of years ago.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 10:42 PM
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Really? I would LOVE to hear more about Donovan. Seriously, if it only cost $5-10k, I would definitely want to do it. Once I got my hands on an extra $10k.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2014 | 12:01 AM
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I second that...For 5 or 10k, I'm in!!
 
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