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Old 09-04-2018, 01:45 AM
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True you can't claim poverty and hardship if what's being repaired costs £30-£40k and is perceived by many as a luxury.

Any news??
 
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Latest news was an eMail yesterday afternoon advising they may not get it finished by 7:00pm. That proved to be accurate.

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I'm carrying SDD on my laptop and a Mongoose cable but my Breakdown Insurance would be invalidated if I'd cleared the codes - it could look like a pre-existing fault and I'd have no way of refuting that.

Repatriating a vehicle from mainland Europe to the UK is very expensive so I'm letting them play their games first.

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If you have the ssd with you you could have hooked it up and at least have read the codes!:-)
 
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Any news Graham?
Fingers crossed for you...

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Any news Graham?
Fingers crossed for you...

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I assume in transit or the police are involved...
 
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Old 09-04-2018, 09:38 AM
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After getting frightening messages from the breakdown service in Madrid about the parts the Jaguar Dealer here in Burgos was putting on the car (plugs, coils, cat), I told them I'd authorised no parts and to do no further work until I visited the Dealer this morning.

The Service Manager spoke reasonable English, the technician who was working on the car did not but we all spoke fluent Jaguar SDD. The first thing they had checked was battery condition which we all agreed can cause many weird electrical and electronic faults. The battery is definitely OK. The Technician ran the diagnostics sessions he'd completed and we went through them line by line, alternating SDD between Spanish and English so we could agree what it was showing and how to proceed. The Service Manager clearly isn't used to meeting a Jaguar owner like me!

Diagnostics had initally showed misfires on all 8 cylinders. They showed me the TSB on RP which first requires ensuring the ECM software is up-to-date. They checked and it required an update so was re-flashed.

Clearing down the DTC's, repeated drive cycles then showed consistent misfires on the 4 left bank cylinders which they had verified by repetition. The right bank is consistently clear. Fuel pressure has also been checked. The car will run smoothly until warm and then immediately goes into RP mode. However there are no relevent DTC's to indicate a temperature sensor issue.

They have an identical UK registered XK in the workshop with a broken timing chain and substituted coils from this one with mine to see if that cleared the misfires. It did not so they refitted my original coils and now want to eliminate left bank injectors. They are going to do a similar substitution process later today.

It's time consuming and obviously building up a labour bill but they are avoiding buying any parts until they have pinpointed the precise cause. Unusual to find a Jaguar Dealer looking to save a customer money.

We are now stuck in a hotel for a third night and if they haven't resolved it by tomorrow I'll get a hire car to get to our destination and come back for mine when it's ready. It's "only" a 1600 mile round trip.

Graham
 
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the country that invented manyana -
In conjunction with siesta

Its all part of the fun and experience.
Remember these guys,
I believe the only country they had trouble in was Spain. (2 minutes into the film)
 
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Graham, by the looks of things, it's beginning to look like an injector issue.

Hiring a car is probably the best bet at this juncture to keep the Missus happy!

Enjoy the rest or your holiday and let us know of any new updates.
 
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Sorry to hear there's no resolution Graham, but at least looks like they're working with you / for you to some degree.
Here's hoping it all works out for you.
Might be best though to get on your travels and enjoy your holiday as best you can, easy for me to say I know...
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Would it not be a warranty repair as a 14 plate? Also are there known issues with the injectors in the later MY's as I'd not read about any?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XK...4AAOSwcUFZorEI
 
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GGG, better check your oil for excessive gasoline smell...

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...solved-205171/
 
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Originally Posted by NBCat
Graham, by the looks of things, it's beginning to look like an injector issue.

Hiring a car is probably the best bet at this juncture to keep the Missus happy!

Enjoy the rest or your holiday and let us know of any new updates.
Buy that man a beer! Spot on diagnosis and marriage guidance advice.

The Dealer called tonight to say the injector substitution had resolved the issue and by individual replacement they had tracked it down to one left bank injector. The part will be ordered tomorrow and arrive on Thursday.

The breakdown company also sent a hire car to the hotel so we can resume our journey in the morning. I'll not enjoy the 800 mile treck back to Burgos in a VW Polo but I'll certainly enjoy the return to our holiday villa in an unloaded XK - no luggage and no wife.

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Originally Posted by MarkyUK
Would it not be a warranty repair as a 14 plate? Also are there known issues with the injectors in the later MY's as I'd not read about any?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XK...4AAOSwcUFZorEI
Just out of mechanical warranty although it is booked in to my local Dealer for paint warranty work on our return home. A patch of corrosion above the wing vent the technician spotted on the last service.

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Old 09-04-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranchero50
GGG, better check your oil for excessive gasoline smell...

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...solved-205171/
Good call - I'll do a precautionary oil change when I get home.

Graham
 
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Originally Posted by GGG
Good call - I'll do a precautionary oil change when I get home.

Graham
May as well have the dealer do it, or at least give an assessment. Not sure if I'd drive it that far with diluted oil.

Enjoy your holiday!
 
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Could this be the Curse of Brexit?

Seriously, thanks to your knowledge of SDD, you saved a lot of money. I suggest spending some of that savings on Mrs. G for being a good sport during this unexpected ordeal.
 
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I drove 812 km (504 miles) from Burgos in northern Spain to Competa on the south coast in a hired VW Polo today - 8 hours of purgatory.

Burgos Jaguar Dealer advised this evening by eMail that Jaguar had the injector in stock and hopes it will arrive tomorrow so he can complete the repair the same day. I certainly hope so as I don't relish the prospect of driving a VW Polo any longer than absolutely necessary. Unfortunately I will have to drive it the 812 km back to Burgos to collect the XK.

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I find it illogically interesting that the codes could not narrow the issue down to which cylinder (injector) was causing the issue. Very poor engineering indeed.
 
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The thing with these injectors is they all connect to a single rail on each bank. When ONE injector sticks open (the usual problem) the additional flow causes the OTHER injectors to also at least partially fail due to that lower High Pressure Fuel Rail pressure.
That's what happened when my #4 injector failed.
Threw codes for entire even-number bank.
 
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Old 09-06-2018, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sparky fuze
I find it illogically interesting that the codes could not narrow the issue down to which cylinder (injector) was causing the issue. .....
AGREED - I'm used to stored or pending DTC's targetting a fault rather than offering a vague range of possiblilities. For example, misfire with a specific code for each coil.

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....When ONE injector sticks open (the usual problem) the additional flow causes the OTHER injectors to also at least partially fail due to that lower High Pressure Fuel Rail pressure.
That's what happened when my #4 injector failed. Threw codes for entire even-number bank.
IDENTICAL - the LH bank on mine indicated fails on all four. I'm impressed the Dealer has then gone on to determine the individual failed injector by substitution rather than simply replacing all four.

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