So in 1996 Ford owned Jaguar. Please tell me they had no actual Ford parts in these cars. Told a friend what I bought and he asked if it had a Ford engine.
Really?
Im a muscle car guy and a chevy guy at that.

 

There are a number of Ford parts that were used, but the engine is all Jaguar. In fact, Ford used the Jaguar engine in a few of their own cars from the period.

 

Ford supplied the motors :O) My understamding is Jaguar designed Ford Built..Jaguar couldnt keep up with the demand. And sorry to say thise as well. Ford made these companies profitable...

 

Well, Ford owned and many Ford parts. Check the wiring harnesses on the taillights for an example. If the Taurus-like steering wheel buttons weren't enough!


I explain it as a positive. "Doesn't it break down all the time?" No, silly fool, but thanks for keeping the prices depressed for me with that mindset. Ford owned them during this period, that's why they still work today and are as reliable as they are...


Oh, and Ford didn't take the bailout. Ford saved Jaguar. All hail Ford. I went there.

 

So there are some Ford parts,minor stuff, but not the drivetrain. Actually my understanding is the rear is a Dana. True?

 

If you dig deep enough you will come across evidence like this.

I don't care if they used the part but they should at least not rub it on our face by leaving the Ford labeling intact.

 

I usually reply 'only if it doesn't catch fire first' and sometimes add that it usually runs just long enough to get to the shop for another $1000 repair. Sure gets some strange looks and helps keeps the cars affordable for us cheap guys. I'm counting on everyone here to do their duty.

Please do NOT tell people the truth that these cars are just a reliable as anything else on the road.

 

I gotta remember to use that one someday. That's ingenious.

 

Dick Van Dyke may want to chime in here....

 

Actually the Ford version (3.9L V8 used in the Ford Tbird and Lincoln LS) was much more reliable than the Jaguar version (4.0L) as it did not have the nikasil cylinder coating that was eaten-up by high sulfur fuel and caused a bunch of Jaguar engines to have to be replaced under warranty. Also the Ford engine had no cam timing chain tensioner or water pump failures like the 1997-2002 Jaguar V8's had.

 

Right? This is only the second Ford I've owned. First one was a 69 GT Torino.

 

Wait - I thought a lot of people use the Ford part numbers from the LS/TBird to upgrade the secondary tensioners. Unless the Ford motors received the 3rd generation parts in 2000 when the LS came out I would have to imagine they had the exact same tensioner issue. May be wrong though, certainly would not have been the first time...

 

A quick search of the interweb says that the Ford cars had the same tensioner problems.

I'd always assumed that would be the case but never checked.

 

So Ford used Jag engines?

 

Ford not only used Jaguar engines in the Thunderbird and Lincoln LS but began building the engines to Jaguar specifications in Ohio.

It is often said that Jaguar sent the S Type platform to the US to become the Lincoln LS and Ford sent the Taurus platform to UK to become the X Type.

 

Here is the story of the Jaguar V8: Jaguar AJ-V8 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Uh, that Delphi part picture... Delphi was a spin-off of GM in 1994. When it appeared Delco disappeared.

 

Ford parts get pretty much everywhere :

 

Since auto manufactures reached into the modern day style of building cars, hundreds of parts on most all cars are piece mealed out to other companies for production. Although a Jaguar may have items with-in the car that has another name __in our case Ford___ the parts are manufactured to Jaguars spects and thus are in fact Jaguar parts. Some of these parts may in fact be used on some Ford cars and other makes.

If one wants to criticise Jaguar and belittle the Jaguar name on their car, so be it. But for me, just because a few wires in the back and maybe a programable box under the dash has a Ford emplem on it, Ford, or any other car brand never had an XK8 and has never produced a car as beautiful as it is.

Jaguar engineers designed and built the new Jaguar V8 and when Ford bought the company, they wanted to use a Ford built engine used on their other cars, but none of the Ford engines would fit the bill, could not produce the horsepower and other things Jaguar wouldn't agree to, and so the pure Jaguar engines were agreed upon and thus are in our cars. I read somewhere in one of my Jaguar books that the only "Off Shelf" Ford item that was used on the XK8 engine was a Ford oil pan plug.

People are funny. The Ford name has always been the butt-in of many jokes, but the fact is, if it hadn't been for FORD, I doubt the car industry would be where it is today. Ford today is building some of the prettiest top in cars on the road to. I often wondered why people don't worry about the German influence on our cars---drive trains etc. hummmm?

Chuck
05/XJ8L & XK8 Conv

 

Just about every vehicle today is a conglomeration of parts from all over the world. The textbook definition of outsourcing and economies of scale. No point getting bent out of shape about it. As Uncle Walter used to say, that's the way it is....