Right so if you like me your on more than one fourm and love to see what's happening elsewhere. Seems to be a lot of very negative comments to the new 4 pot car. It has been shunned by a lot of V6 and V8 owners and welcomed by others, whats your views, does it deserve all this ridicule its getting in some places.
A lot seems to be the sound , but its a 4 cylinder, easy. It drive unreal but this seems not good enough.

 

Realize the vast majority of us haven't seen one, let alone driven one. But we still have opinions.

 

I haven't driven one, so can't say from firsthand experience. I think many disdain it because it is more "entry level" than what they have and see it as lowering the status and value of their vehicles. Others like the fact that they rarely see another and fear this will change. I'd rather not be in something as common as a BMW (they are everywhere here) but won't sell just because I start seeing more.

The other aspect is that it is a heavy GT car, and the performance will not measure up.

 

So true , but it is really hated, cant understand why, i've had quite a few jags through the years and never though any different on any model, just looked at it and if it was a jag it was good enough for me, another fellow jag owner if you like.

 

I can see why it would appeal to some, it's less expensive and the turbo seems to give very decent power for engine displacement.

My personal dislike stems from "brand dilution",
when did a Jaguar last have fewer than six cylinders ?
Yes, I know downsizing of engines a modern phenomenon that's sadly unlikely to go away.

Perhaps I'm just getting old, I still cringe when I see any luxury car brand fitted with diesel engine !

 

You have to put this into perspective. The I4 puts out more power and torque than the E-Type V12 and gets the F-Type to 60 over a second faster. The shortcoming of a 4 banger is in one's own mind. 4 Cylinder race engines have been known to put out well north of 1000 hp. Aside from the lack of MT and possible sound (who here has actually heard it?), there's mothing detracting from the I4 F-Type. The weight savings is a huge plus. It's not the price that makes the F-Type exclusive, it's the limited functionality. Tesla's and SUVs at similar or higher prices are out there in several fold greater numbers. In total, not many 2 seat cars are still being produced or purchased (F-Type, Boxster/Cayman, Miata/Fiat 124, Vette, in addition to the exotics).

 

Coming from 435 hp / 600 nm Audi RS3, performance of either 340 hp V6 or 300 hp 4-pot didn´t impress much.
I had a couple of hours test-drive in each and to be honest my butt-dyno couldn´t find any significant performance difference between 300 hp and 340 hp.
The V6 was clumsier in it´s handling, but at least part of that must be because of different sized wheels (19" in 4-pot and 20" in V6).
Both sounded lame compared to RS3 with factory sports exhaust in sport-mode, though

Like many of you, I´d take V6 over 4-pot just for emotional reasons only if price-difference was reasonable (a couple of thousands, like in some countries).
Over here however, the difference in base-price between 4-pot and 340 hp V6 is about $32500!!!
Combined with options I chose the difference is about $37500!!!. Yes, we pay tax for options too and the tax is based on CO2-emissions.

To me 340 hp V6 just wasn´t worth $37500 more (plus higher annual taxes etc.) .

 

Having experienced the handling improvement of the V6 F type over the V8, and the 4 pot XE over the V6, it was easy for me to believe that the 4 pot f type would be awesome in the twisties.

Over here it is still a $100K plus car (compared to say $35K for a base Toyota 86) so I'm not concerned they will become common. And I dont care if they might not sound as good - because I dont have one.

Not a massive fan of the single pipe though, which would be my only real gripe.

It is looking good in "the Grand Tour".

 

There is a sound comparison from Car Throttle on this fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jaguarftypeowners/

 

The sound doesn't make the car,I prefer listening to a great or not so great song.Sound of the motor is for juvenile "olders" there are things more important in life...Have a merry Xmas !

 

for a road car, 300hp in an I4 is pretty impressive. im sure the car moves just fine. a tune can always bump up the power.

however the biggest thing for me is the sound. it does not sound like any other F-type, and thats disappointing

 

I am in exactly the opposite camp. I love cars, motorcycles, engines, things mechanical. Given a beautiful, winding country road, I turn off the music and listen to the engine sing. I felt this was a a juvenile "younger" too ;^)

 

I'm not sure why there are so many different threads on this same topic.

The 2.0 litre X152 must be driven in order to form a legitimate opinion not merely based on YouTube videos and hearsay.

 

Welcome to internet car forums!

 

Same, i barely have the tunes on in my f-type. The sound is one of the top 5 reason i own it.

 

Comparing racing 4 cylinder engines to Ingenium is flawed analogy for many reasons.

First, nobody puts inline 4 cylinder engine into a race car by choice. This is a direct result of limitations imposed on the class, usually displacement max or intake restriction plates. Unlimited by regulations modern racing engine would probably be multi-turbo V8, producing something close to 2500 hp. You can look at production car speed records as indirect indication what it would be - NONE of these use I4, smallest engine I think Porsche 959 flat 6 biturbo.

Unlimited engine designs would also speed up races a great deal and turn them into a blood sport as wrecks will be more frequent and universally fatal.

Second, Ingenium 4 cylinder engine is an economy engine. It isn't high revving, it is not designed for high-boost or quick off the line pickup. This is not F20C. It is possible to make a lightweight high-revving 4 cylinder sports car, but not with heavy F-type chassis and not with Ingenium engine as it exists today.

 

 

I'm sure enough people who want a Jag might strech to get the base and for them it is a great option, but a CPO V6 or V8 might be a better way to go if you are buying not leasing!

 

Today I took the opportunity to the test drive the I4. Here are my impressions.
1. The car seems to require less effort to steer into a tight turn, but it turned in no more quickly than the V6. It took a perceptible amount of time to dip the front outside corner before turning in. I was able to easily create a harmonic back and forth roll, which isn't possible on my lowered V6.
2. The engine truly does not sound any more robust than a typical 4 banger in the 2.0 liter class. I'd be embarrassed to fire this thing up at a car meet.
3. I don't understand why, but the ride does not feel as solid or luxurious as it's bigger siblings.
4. Stomping on the throttle in normal mode offers a wimpy time delayed throttle response typical of old fashioned automatics. That effect is minimized in dynamic mode, but even then the turbo-lag is disappointing. Any sense of power doesn't kick in until well over 4000 rpm. My MINI would put it to shame from the light.
5. Overall, the best part of the experience is looking at the car while entering it and being seen sitting in it. Otherwise, the thrill is no greater than what you can get from a subcompact rental car from AVIS. There's just no Sturm und Drang.


I was really hoping for a winner, but given the price points here in the U.S., you'd be foolish not to lay out an extra $8k for the base V6. I don't see many of these cars selling here. In other markets, where the spreads are far greater, I can see it's success.

 

Alternatively if you choose to forgo buying new you can have a V8 RWD R coupe for the same money, in my case 9000 miles from new and one year warranty left.