Goodbye to the 4-cyl and 6-cyl. Going forward, there will only be the P450 and R.

2022 Jaguar F-Type

 

Should really slow sales as the P300 seem to be biggest seller. But for me the new package seems a fitting upgrade to my V6S.

 

I hope whoever thought sticking 4-cylinder engine into F-type was a good idea also got fired.

 

Does any know the non-engine differences between the V8s? The lower powered V8 previously not available in US so not reviewed here.

 

We are right in the middle of the second coming of the supercar era when everyone is increasing horsepower to sometimes insane levels and Jaguar is lowering horsepower? Please explain this to me. Hopefully, it makes my R worth a bit more.

 

Lowering? They are offering a 575hp 'R', which matches the output of the previous version's SVR model and a 450-hp de-tuned V8 in the P450 (the engine I have in my UK MY21 car). Jaguar are discontinuing the V6 and the 4-pot P300 models.

It looks like it will be different in the USA, but here in the UK the P450 is only available in the 'R-Dynamic' trim, in RWD or AWD, and there are some options that are simply not available on it (carbon fibre centre console has now gone and carbon ceramic brakes are only available to order on the P575 'R')

 

Am I right in thinking JLR have effectively reduced the price except for the R.
The 445HP 8 cylinder price is less than the base price for the 380HP 6 cylinder R-Dynamic.
It might impact the used market for 6 cylinder cars (down).
I mean why drive a 6 if you can get an 8 for the same price?

 

I think some people prefer the balance and handling of the 6.

 

Strategic Thinking doesn’t seem to be a very large department at Jaguar. What next. Bring back the 12?

 

Whilel I appreciate the "balance and handling" of my R-Dynamic, I still hanker after an 8 cylinder!!
My decision was practicality (head) based rather than heart-based, not even financial!
Reality is I do not go to the track and best I have done so far is a very illegal 110mph for a very short stretch of highway.
Still would like to try the R.

 

Agreed, personally I prefer the 6 to drive (especially modded) but if they were the same price it would be the R every day of the week, due to noise, quad pipes, extra grunt.

 

In theory, you can take the P450 and give it 600+ hp with a VAP tune. That said, I haven't done mine yet so I don't know if it is capable - from the limited reading I've done, it does look like it's the same engine as usual, just 'de-tuned' to 450hp. Given that you can get the P450 in RWD, unlike the AWD-only 'R', there's potentially a lot of fun to be had there

 

i think they're keeping the F Type as a real halo car while they electrify everything else. the 6 was understandable, but never a great seller, and the 4 was a travesty that just watered down the car and the brand. IMHO.

 

Ok of course not knowing a damned thing won’t stop me from speculating a theory….the 4 was never going to sell in large quantities despite the lower price….people knew it was underpowered. The 6 is wildly popular but not sustainable given the changes made to the engine factory and the new engine designs they were working on (ie the inline version they couldnt get to fit). Even though the six made a lot of sense it’s a casualty of engine development economics in this mad rush to electrify. Now to get to the 8. Do I recall correctly a set of articles from a couple of years ago about the end of the AJ engine in the long term given its age and the build deal with Ford ending?

MY THEORY. They are planning to run out the last of the V8 engine inventory for the next couple of years and then discontinue all ICE engines as they have already said “all electric by 2025”. That way for a couple of years their “halo” car can move at a slightly better price point than the lesser powered models being dropped, they pander to the community in North America that wants “more power”, they get rid of their last inventory and then move on from the Ftype as the new chairman seems to want them to while he insanely tries to compete with Aston and Ferrari…….just a theory based on little actual evidence

 

Agree.

 

Some wizard in Marketing must have assumed that introducing a 4-cyl entry version would solve the volume problem. What it did was eat into V6 sales for those who wanted to save a few bucks and cared more about looks than performance.

The supply crisis on the V-8 was solved by moving the tooling/production from the Ford plant in Wales to West Midlands. With this announcement, they'll get the economies of moving from three engine hardware platforms (4/6/8) to one (discounting tuning variants).

It's still not clear where Jaguar it going with the F-Type in the future. Maybe it will move to electric, along with the rest of the brand, but I'm not comfortable they have the financial resources to develop the next generation of a limited volume model. And, not for 2025. Hopefully they decide to keep it going as a brand icon - whatever power plant they use.

 

Agreed, and then eventually the halo car whether an F or something else will be electrified and hopefully just as stupid fast as a Tesla Model S is in Ludicrous Mode.

 

Am I the only one that thought when Jaguar said all new cars in 2025 will be electric, that meant new models, but that they would continue pushing some current ICE models past that date? My comprehension isn't always on the level.

 

Yep, I reckon you are the only one.
All the recent media reports and bigwig interviews push the line that JLR will be 100% leccy across the board and zero ICE by 2025, but before that they said all models will be at least "part leccy" eg hybrid by 2030 or 2025 so who knows what their real plans are.
I for one cannot see JLR going full leccy / no ICE by 2025 and if they do or at least attempt it that will the death knell for JLR.

 

I think you have nailed it. I wish that we had a mole within Jaguar to let us keep track of the V8 engine inventory and the F build rate. It would be nice to know when the barkeep says: Last orders, gentlemen.