That's yet to be determined, but will be part of the prototype & test fitment process. It has to be looked at along with planned camber settings (almost all responded they would be running stock camber) so it's likely it would fall in the range of 10-15mm more offset that equivalent OEM fitments of the same width. For example an OEM 20x10.5 would be an ET38, we'd probably look at something in the ET25-ET28 range for a 20x10.5 so it has the equivalent 'flush' of an OEM wheel with a 10-15mm spacer.

 

Ah ok! Great looking wheel!
I'm confused about the wheel widths. Why wouldn't we be running the exact SVR widths and offsets to be ''safe''? Doesn't that make the most sense?
Anyway, looking forward to owning a set of APEX wheels for Jaguar as I think they are great value.

 

SVRs don’t have the same track width as pre-2020 Rs or any of the other sub-models. Also, most folks looking for a slightly more aggressive stance (without risk of tire rub).

 

If we were going to do this without any engineering or test fitment, we would probably just go with a known OEM fitment. However, this approach is a little more considered, involves engineering, test fitment, consideration of how much camber required to fit, clearance to big brakes etc. Because APEX comes from and is embraced by the racing world, they typically are considering more than just what can be thrown on there quickly. Since this is primarily targeted at a road car customer it's slightly different, but for track customers you might need to consider common big brake applications and clearance to those, availability of track specific tires in certain sizes etc.

So there will be some additional checks and so on. Offset is a part of that. Typically aftermarket wheel buyers are looking for a more flush offset, and generally it makes sense to build those offsets into the wheel rather than needing spacers. In this case there is no way we'd go so aggressive that you need for example, 2.5 or 3.0" negative camber in order to clear the fender (some of their other applications that are track targeted would require this.) That said, running an additional 10-15mm of 'poke' in a fitment that works on an lowered car with stock camber is likely to be quite attractive.

 

A+ thanks for the explanation!

 

Just saw this thread today. Although prohibitively late to the party, I took the survey. Following with GREAT interest!

 

Great wheels. Had ARC-8s on my E92. Wouldn't mind losing some pounds on the wheels with these.

 

How goes the fitment testing?

 

No test fitting going on at the moment. The engineering team at the wheel factory had to clear some things off their plate prior to starting work on this, and there is some decision making going on regarding tooling.

 

Please keep us posted!

 

Following for details. Was there a ballpark price estimate somewhere earlier in the thread?

 

If you look at the costs on similar sized 19" options they are around $2000/set. Our target is IRO $2500 per set. There are a couple of variables that we still have to address to be certain, some of that between Apex and us. They have not yet made a 20" wheel, and each wheel style requires unique tooling for each wheel diameter. The most popular selection here is not a top seller for their other markets, so there's some consideration of whether that tooling cost is to be borne exclusively by VAP, whether they feel they can amortize it across other 20" offerings for other vehicles etc.

We aim to run a group buy/pre-buy at the time that we decide to proceed so there will probably be an opportunity to pre-order them at the time that fitment is confirmed and signed off.

Apex needed to clear off some existing engineering workload, but are now tackling this project. Because there are certifications involved, there are a number of processes and procedures that need to be followed and completed. We are aiming for sign-off on the wheel this fall, with production complete and order delivery in January.

 

Thanks for the reply. I'll stay tuned for details as the develop. $650/wheel seems relatively high for flow formed wheels...these aren't forged, correct? I'm coming from the VW/Audi world so maybe there is some Jaguar tax in there

 

There's no Jaguar tax at all. Apex pricing for 19x10 & 19x11 for a Mustang for example is around $1900 for a set. They do not make 20" wheels right now, so there are additional tooling costs to consider, specifically if we opt for a PS7 which may not be something they see themselves using for other vehicle fitments. And being a slightly larger wheel there are likely to be slightly higher costs.

We are simply anticipating some slightly higher costs and being realistic about pricing. I'm not going to BS people that it will be $1900 and then it turns out to be $2500, so we are trying to anticipate some additional costs related to a new size & style. I'd much rather come in under what we estimated than over. And there certainly will be a deal on pre-purchase.

That said, yes they are flow-formed, but I don't think that the pricing is unreasonable for the quality. When you compare it to Audi you're comparing to a market that has significantly higher volumes and economies of scale associated. There's not some unreasonable profit built into this, and if I'm being perfectly honest it's something that I engaged in because I thought that bringing a high quality, lightweight, off the shelf fitment wheel to market for the F-Type was something the community was lacking.

 

I don't disagree with anything you stated, except that there is indeed a premium associated with a low volume, essentially boutique item like this. I didn't mean to imply there was some exorbitant profit built into the price. At least they aren't $2500/each HRE forged wheels. Sorry if I offended.

 

Not offended at all. And yes there is a premium, it is just related to tooling & development costs being spread over smaller production runs.

 

Im sure APEX is a great wheel. I picked these up last winter. They are flow forged too.

 

Bump! Any updates?

 

The project is in the engineering phase. Design, testing & certification all have to take place. We expect by the early fall, to have samples for test fitments, and aim for first production order deliveries in Jan 2021.

 

Sounds great! Sign me up!