F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Any way to raise spoiler when driving below 70MPH?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 09-26-2015, 10:26 AM
Uncle Fishbits's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Tiburon, CA
Posts: 2,771
Received 714 Likes on 408 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
If the CHP is still handing out that tip sheet almost 10 years later, I wonder if they're sophisticated enough to know that a coupe spoiler goes up at 70 and a convertible goes up at 60, unless in the latter case, an owner decides to put it up at 25.

The F-Type owner's manual seems to have some difficulty with that unless it's been revised for the '16s.
I don't think the owner's manual was revised. But my 6cyl base MT convertible seems to allow you to put the spoiler up and down at will. It's a weird button, and doesn't always feel intuitive.... but it seems that we are now able to easily move it up or down at any time.
 
  #22  
Old 09-26-2015, 03:54 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Fishbits
I don't think the owner's manual was revised. But my 6cyl base MT convertible seems to allow you to put the spoiler up and down at will. It's a weird button, and doesn't always feel intuitive.... but it seems that we are now able to easily move it up or down at any time.
not on my '16 V6S MT Coupe
 

Last edited by Unhingd; 09-27-2015 at 12:54 PM.
  #23  
Old 09-26-2015, 04:44 PM
CaptainHam's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SW London, UK
Posts: 326
Received 56 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Fishbits
I don't think the owner's manual was revised. But my 6cyl base MT convertible seems to allow you to put the spoiler up and down at will. It's a weird button, and doesn't always feel intuitive.... but it seems that we are now able to easily move it up or down at any time.
My MY2016 (Coupe V6S AT) will allow you to raise the spoiler...but if you're travelling above 50mph and you switch the button off, it will only lower once you drop below 50mph.

At speeds below 50mph, you can raise and lower as you please.

It's a UK car in case that makes a difference to the software...
 
  #24  
Old 09-26-2015, 05:17 PM
Foosh's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 6,177
Received 1,026 Likes on 854 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CaptainHam
My MY2016 (Coupe V6S AT) will allow you to raise the spoiler...but if you're travelling above 50mph and you switch the button off, it will only lower once you drop below 50mph.

At speeds below 50mph, you can raise and lower as you please.

It's a UK car in case that makes a difference to the software...
Yes, it does. US coupe spoilers cannot be manually raised while moving, and but US convertibles can be. It can be manually raised if the coupe is not in motion.

It makes no sense why it's OK elsewhere and not here. There is no government regulatory reason, just a an apparent weird decision by JLR.
 
The following users liked this post:
Uncle Fishbits (10-07-2015)
  #25  
Old 09-27-2015, 09:43 AM
Desert Hiker's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Valley of the Sun, AZ, USofA
Posts: 201
Received 65 Likes on 39 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
Yes, it does. US coupe spoilers cannot be manually raised while moving, and but US convertibles can be. It can be manually raised if the coupe is not in motion.

It makes no sense why it's OK elsewhere and not here. There is no government regulatory reason, just a an apparent weird decision by JLR.
+1. In the USofA it's ostensibly unsafe for motorists to pump their own petrol in Oregon and New Jersey, but appears to be safe enough in the other 48 states. Oh yes, and in Oregon and New Jersey, disabled won't be able to get help pumping petrol if self serve is allowed, yet in the other 48 states the disabled seem to be able to find the required help...at no extra charge....from the legally required attendant. Go figure!!! {Amazing the power of special interest groups and their lawyers/lobbyists.}

Desert Hiker
 
The following users liked this post:
Uncle Fishbits (09-28-2015)
  #26  
Old 10-05-2015, 10:01 PM
IRRBrogue's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Austin, TX 78732
Posts: 243
Received 24 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

My dealer thinks that the coupe spoiler, when raised, extends slightly beyond the rear bumper, and thus runs afoul of US law. I guess it would have first impact if raised while the car was reversing. Since my coupe is still on order, I cannot confirm.
 
  #27  
Old 10-06-2015, 12:40 PM
JagBrian's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Birdsboro, PA
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 31 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Desert Hiker
+1. In the USofA it's ostensibly unsafe for motorists to pump their own petrol in Oregon and New Jersey, but appears to be safe enough in the other 48 states. Oh yes, and in Oregon and New Jersey, disabled won't be able to get help pumping petrol if self serve is allowed, yet in the other 48 states the disabled seem to be able to find the required help...at no extra charge....from the legally required attendant. Go figure!!! {Amazing the power of special interest groups and their lawyers/lobbyists.}

Desert Hiker
ha exactly... the gas thing kills me! My parents have a vacation home in Ocean City, NJ which I take my car to from PA. I make sure to fill up in PA before going over the bridge to NJ because I dont want anyone touching my car or dripping gas on it... I hate that I cant fill my own gas there.
 
  #28  
Old 01-24-2016, 10:49 PM
LA-FTYPE's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Beverly Hills, CA
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Spoiler on Coupe in US

So it sounds like the manual deployment of the spoiler on the coupe under 70 mph in the US doesn't work... Is there a fix coming? Seems to be an odd quirk for such an amazing vehicle. Anyone in the US with a 2016 coupe where the deploy button works under 70?
 
  #29  
Old 01-24-2016, 10:53 PM
Neek's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: South Florida
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Any time I want to extend the rear spoiler, I just press the skinny pedal on the right.
 
  #30  
Old 01-25-2016, 01:28 AM
cbroth1's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: San Diego
Posts: 305
Received 81 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Neek
Any time I want to extend the rear spoiler, I just press the skinny pedal on the right.
The proper way to do it. It is a cosmetic pleasure anyway. The skinny pedal has many more benefits than the "downforce" provided by the small piece of metal on the back.
 
  #31  
Old 01-25-2016, 07:34 AM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LA-FTYPE
So it sounds like the manual deployment of the spoiler on the coupe under 70 mph in the US doesn't work... Is there a fix coming? Seems to be an odd quirk for such an amazing vehicle. Anyone in the US with a 2016 coupe where the deploy button works under 70?
No, the '16 coupes can't be deployed either except for cleaning at a dead stop.
 
  #32  
Old 01-25-2016, 09:07 AM
Buckingham's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 667
Received 114 Likes on 77 Posts
Default

Simple explanation. The verts need extra downward thrust even at speeds below 60 mph. The coupes get additional downward thrust from the aerodynamic design of the top, except when driving on the left side of the road.
 
  #33  
Old 01-25-2016, 09:15 AM
Foosh's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 6,177
Received 1,026 Likes on 854 Posts
Default

I'm not sure that's really the case, but assuming it is, it doesn't explain why the US verts can be manually raised and lowered at any speed up to 60 where they stay up, but the coupe cannot be manually deployed except when standing still.
 
  #34  
Old 01-25-2016, 06:36 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
....it doesn't explain why the US verts can be manually raised and lowered at any speed up to 60 where they stay up, but the coupe cannot be manually deployed except when standing still.
Could it be a CAFE issue? I believe the coupes can raise their tails in the rest of the world.
 
  #35  
Old 01-27-2016, 12:29 PM
F-typical's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Herefordshire, England
Posts: 1,498
Received 177 Likes on 151 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Buckingham
Simple explanation. The verts need extra downward thrust even at speeds below 60 mph. The coupes get additional downward thrust from the aerodynamic design of the top, except when driving on the left side of the road.
I believe Buckingham may have been employing Irony. 😎
 
  #36  
Old 01-27-2016, 02:03 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Buckingham
Simple explanation. The verts need extra downward thrust even at speeds below 60 mph. The coupes get additional downward thrust from the aerodynamic design of the top, except when driving on the left side of the road.
Not so fast! The aerodynamic roof line of the coupe creates lift. The panel that raises is there to spoil the laminar flow and disrupt the Bernouli effect (hence spoiler).
 
  #37  
Old 01-27-2016, 02:24 PM
DJS's Avatar
DJS
DJS is offline
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Metrowest Boston
Posts: 6,207
Received 2,067 Likes on 1,372 Posts
Default

Instead of producing downforce, it reduces upforce, i.e. lift.
 
  #38  
Old 01-27-2016, 07:51 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DJS
Instead of producing downforce, it reduces upforce, i.e. lift.
Thank you for saying it in English.
 
  #39  
Old 01-27-2016, 08:33 PM
Foosh's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 6,177
Received 1,026 Likes on 854 Posts
Default

It's correct to view it either way. A surface that reduces lift ("upforce") is, in effect, producing "downforce."

Now, is your glass half-empty or half-full?
 
  #40  
Old 01-27-2016, 09:00 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,932
Received 4,637 Likes on 3,359 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
Now, is your glass half-empty or half-full?
The optimist will declare the glass half full and the pessimist will declare it half empty, but the engineer will declare that you are using the wrong measuring methodology.
 


Quick Reply: Any way to raise spoiler when driving below 70MPH?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:19 PM.