Blown Engine - 2017 F Type R
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JVIII (07-19-2017)
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I'm glad to hear that you're back on the road.
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JVIII (07-19-2017)
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Hey Guys,
So I'm back. Apologize if I haven't responded to this thread. As I don't need the negativity of all the other forum members.
But all is good after XX,XXX amount of $$$$. Car is up and running, so I'll see the SoCal peeps this Saturday.
I appreciate the people that were nice on this forum trying not to be a GRANDPA.
So I'm back. Apologize if I haven't responded to this thread. As I don't need the negativity of all the other forum members.
But all is good after XX,XXX amount of $$$$. Car is up and running, so I'll see the SoCal peeps this Saturday.
I appreciate the people that were nice on this forum trying not to be a GRANDPA.
Lawrence
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JVIII (07-19-2017)
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#148
Would you mind sharing the information on what exactly was broken on the original engine? What parts were not working properly any more or any other info would be very helpful to everyone.
And do you still have the old engine? Can it be rebuilt?
And do you still have the old engine? Can it be rebuilt?
#149
JagRag,
The previous owner of my 2010 XKR with the 5.0L engine had my mechanic replace the engine in the car before I would purchase it. He had it done under an aftermarket warranty. We had found a donor car with about 5000 miles on it. We still have the original engine on a stand at the shop, complete with supercharger that we figure we'd cannibalize for parts as my car gets older. I also asked why it wasn't rebuilt especially since it appeared that damage was to rod bearings, but the insurance wanted to pay for an engine and installation from a 5000 mile car, and the original engine had 68,000 miles, so I certainly wasn't going to object.
A previous forum member, a young woman, who does all of her own mechanical work, had wanted to buy the engine because she wanted to custom build a very high performance engine, but she got kicked off of the forum for some inappropriate posts, and I never heard from her again afterwards.
The previous owner of my 2010 XKR with the 5.0L engine had my mechanic replace the engine in the car before I would purchase it. He had it done under an aftermarket warranty. We had found a donor car with about 5000 miles on it. We still have the original engine on a stand at the shop, complete with supercharger that we figure we'd cannibalize for parts as my car gets older. I also asked why it wasn't rebuilt especially since it appeared that damage was to rod bearings, but the insurance wanted to pay for an engine and installation from a 5000 mile car, and the original engine had 68,000 miles, so I certainly wasn't going to object.
A previous forum member, a young woman, who does all of her own mechanical work, had wanted to buy the engine because she wanted to custom build a very high performance engine, but she got kicked off of the forum for some inappropriate posts, and I never heard from her again afterwards.
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#152
I think the take away lessons are:
If you modify anything on your car the warranty will not cover the part you modified and it doesn't matter whether you think or even can prove your modification didn't cause the failure. That's why I mod cars out of warranty (well with the exception of wraps which I don't think count).
Third party mechanics typically don't know anything about low volume or new cars, they just don't see enough of them to develop expertise.
Faster oil change intervals should be tied to engine stress, not the need for more revenue from those that do them.
Calling an older person "Grandpa" doesn't further the conversation and it is rude. And the "you started it" defense rarely makes anyone look good.
Attacking the OP doesn't further the conversation and it is counterproductive (and causes people to leave forums).
As a side story I was chasing some Lotuses on tight twisties with an older XK8 years ago and the engine went into limp home mode due to oil starvation. It actually did surprisingly well keeping up until then and I didn't blow the engine but it taught me that cars that aren't really designed for tight twisties should likely avoid them.
One final thought, I was on the track the other day with an i8. This is a car that looks fast but even my SUVs are faster. But in the hands of an expert driver (not me) it actually did better than a number of far better cars did with less skilled drivers. Final lesson here is money spent on becoming a better driver often provides far better and longer returns than engine tech. (Because these skills move with you and don't void warranties). Or, sometimes us old farts do have wicked skills. Other times we're just old farts. Knowing the difference is a skill worth having on both sides.
If you modify anything on your car the warranty will not cover the part you modified and it doesn't matter whether you think or even can prove your modification didn't cause the failure. That's why I mod cars out of warranty (well with the exception of wraps which I don't think count).
Third party mechanics typically don't know anything about low volume or new cars, they just don't see enough of them to develop expertise.
Faster oil change intervals should be tied to engine stress, not the need for more revenue from those that do them.
Calling an older person "Grandpa" doesn't further the conversation and it is rude. And the "you started it" defense rarely makes anyone look good.
Attacking the OP doesn't further the conversation and it is counterproductive (and causes people to leave forums).
As a side story I was chasing some Lotuses on tight twisties with an older XK8 years ago and the engine went into limp home mode due to oil starvation. It actually did surprisingly well keeping up until then and I didn't blow the engine but it taught me that cars that aren't really designed for tight twisties should likely avoid them.
One final thought, I was on the track the other day with an i8. This is a car that looks fast but even my SUVs are faster. But in the hands of an expert driver (not me) it actually did better than a number of far better cars did with less skilled drivers. Final lesson here is money spent on becoming a better driver often provides far better and longer returns than engine tech. (Because these skills move with you and don't void warranties). Or, sometimes us old farts do have wicked skills. Other times we're just old farts. Knowing the difference is a skill worth having on both sides.
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#154
Generally here it means reprograming the ECU (the car's computer) and may include changing out one or two supercharger components to get a significant amount of extra HP. There are a lot of firms that do this but few who do it well and you do risk engine failure and a voided warranty. Here is a fun video on one of the more interesting projects:
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#155
Truly the real lesson here is to check your engine oil at least once a month. I unfortunately experienced all the same issues as JVIII prior to his engine exploding, same codes, same symptoms, same mods and I have been with VAP since the beginning. After topping up the engine oil which was apparently 1qt under the recommended level, the engine seems to be healthy again. Watching closely, but the car made it from SF to LA with zero issues and codes, and appears to be running smoothly again.
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Tango Nevada (07-24-2017)
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I am new to this forum and F type ownership,
always check all fluid levels weekly or before long journey.
First car owned with electronic "dip stick", I generally like modern electronic aids, despite my advancing years, In this instance slightly unnerving the history of oil level measuring issues.
Dip stick preferred, or at least some way of verifying the electronic measure is accurate.
To counter my own scepticism I know we've all relied on float based fuel gauges for years but the consequences of low or empty fuel due to faulty gauge are less damaging than low oil level.
Any words of reassurance from more experienced F type owners (5.0 V8 2015 model probably 2016 US MY)
always check all fluid levels weekly or before long journey.
First car owned with electronic "dip stick", I generally like modern electronic aids, despite my advancing years, In this instance slightly unnerving the history of oil level measuring issues.
Dip stick preferred, or at least some way of verifying the electronic measure is accurate.
To counter my own scepticism I know we've all relied on float based fuel gauges for years but the consequences of low or empty fuel due to faulty gauge are less damaging than low oil level.
Any words of reassurance from more experienced F type owners (5.0 V8 2015 model probably 2016 US MY)
#159
Hi Guys,
So as you know I have a 2017 F Type R and my engine died at 4,200 miles. A lot of you guys blamed me because of the bad tune even though it doesn't have a tune anymore after 2,000 miles.
My mechanic confirmed that it is "ENGINE OIL STARVATION" after opening up the engine. Our car has a bad OIL PAN design and JAGUAR keeps avoiding this issue and blaming it on people who tuned their cars.
Jaguar Newport Beach and Jaguar Corporate didn't help me with the cost of replacing the engine or the repairs. They blamed it on my tune but its clearly engine oil starvation.
Clearly this is a known issue and it is disappointing how JAGUAR NEWPORT BEACH and JAGUAR CORPORATE handled this issue. The JAGUAR Corporate Supervisor and the Service Manager at Newport Beach were screaming at me and blaming it on me that It was the tune that caused it even though they didn't open the engine. Talk about professionalism and corporate responsibility. I'm a first time Jaguar Owner and clearly would not own any more JAGUAR or LAND ROVER products after this.
My mechanic advised that we should replace our oil every 3,000 miles.
So as you know I have a 2017 F Type R and my engine died at 4,200 miles. A lot of you guys blamed me because of the bad tune even though it doesn't have a tune anymore after 2,000 miles.
My mechanic confirmed that it is "ENGINE OIL STARVATION" after opening up the engine. Our car has a bad OIL PAN design and JAGUAR keeps avoiding this issue and blaming it on people who tuned their cars.
Jaguar Newport Beach and Jaguar Corporate didn't help me with the cost of replacing the engine or the repairs. They blamed it on my tune but its clearly engine oil starvation.
Clearly this is a known issue and it is disappointing how JAGUAR NEWPORT BEACH and JAGUAR CORPORATE handled this issue. The JAGUAR Corporate Supervisor and the Service Manager at Newport Beach were screaming at me and blaming it on me that It was the tune that caused it even though they didn't open the engine. Talk about professionalism and corporate responsibility. I'm a first time Jaguar Owner and clearly would not own any more JAGUAR or LAND ROVER products after this.
My mechanic advised that we should replace our oil every 3,000 miles.