F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stohlen
I could care less about the engine replacement or mechanical repairs that have been fixed. My concern is the mismatched paint. Was it in an accident? How did they make that mistake? And how much will it cost to fix? You just paid 60-70k on a car, and its clearly not what you expected; you should get your moneys worth.

Exactly.

I got a quote from an authorized Jag repair shop - $2,000.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Walk away. You will never be able to sell this car for market value and this will drastically increase your cost of ownership. If these issues were not disclosed to you, then you have a cause to return it.

I share that opinion as well.

Not many buyer will bother with a car that has that kind of history.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by akc70
Think of it this way. Someone traded that thing in saying thank god I get rid of that head ache, and you just bought it.

That's a great point.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kief
Get your money back and move on to another ///M

That's a great reply.

I love my M but I think I'm done.

I had an E46 that I never should have sold.

The E92 is just ok.

I dont like the M4 at all.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
Did the CarFax report not show any of these details? Get their admission in WRITING ASAP & get your money back! If they left you a Voice Mail make certain you also get an eMail acknowledging that this is a non-disclosure issue on their side.

It sounds like you took a lot of time to find one with the "right" options. What are the odds that they will be able to find one with what you are seeking? I know they may have more eyes on the ground and more avenues to what's out there but how could you trust them after they tried to hide these details?

Carfax did not show any of the work. I understand that repair shops/dealers have no obligation to report repairs to them so it's not of much value.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stohlen
I could care less about the engine replacement or mechanical repairs that have been fixed. My concern is the mismatched paint.
I'm going with the crowd (accept the offer to buy back or replace) because I share these concerns. Things break, things get fixed, and if done properly, it's as good as new. Bodywork with what appears to be the wrong paint? That's just shoddy, and you don't want any part of that.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sts-v
Depending on what mileage is, i'd MUCH rather have a car with a new engine than an old one that could fail at any time.

I've been debating that endlessly.

From what I have learned it's less than a 1% chance of engine failure so I figured it wouldn't happen to me again with the next car.

Car had 18,000 when the engine was replaced. 23,000 now.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:07 PM
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I think we have overwhelming concensus. The neglect leading to a blown engine obviously carried over to paint care and whi knows what else. Take the buyback and consider yourself lucky.

I think you're right.

Dealer has provided another car with 10,000 fewer miles, another year of warranty, red/black interior which is what I originally wanted, same color with same options and although it does not have black wheels or tinted glass they agreed to powder coat the wheels gloss black. They're paying for shipping out here.

While I'm a little weary of their character, they seem to be making good on what appears to be due to a lazy salesman who told me he verified the history, when in fact he did not. I have to be relentless on demanding evidence of anything these people tell me. Lesson learned.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
I'm going with the crowd (accept the offer to buy back or replace) because I share these concerns. Things break, things get fixed, and if done properly, it's as good as new. Bodywork with what appears to be the wrong paint? That's just shoddy, and you don't want any part of that.
I didnt think much of it originally but my wife was like a dog with a bone on existence of so many chips and worse, the horrible correction job. It looks like a kid with a bottle of red nail polish went to town. Horrible.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sts-v
Depending on what mileage is, i'd MUCH rather have a car with a new engine than an old one that could fail at any time.
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I've been debating that endlessly.

From what I have learned it's less than a 1% chance of engine failure so I figured it wouldn't happen to me again with the next car.

Car had 18,000 when the engine was replaced. 23,000 now.
I disagree with the premise, although it does include a disclaimer. A new engine or an old one that could fail at any time? The new engine could fail at any time also. There's not enough information here. I'd rather have a well-cared for 18K mile engine than a 5K mile engine that's been flogged.

If I had to make a snap decision, I'd take my 75K mile engine over your (a generic "you") 5K mile engine because I know me, but not you. In the realm of use/misuse/abuse/hard use/neglect, I know exactly where I stand.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FR500GT
Give it back and continue the search or see what kind of deal they can do on a NEW car. The dealership either wasn't thorough or they hoped no one would notice...lets hope it wasn't the later.

Hard to know exactly.

I was told this is not the way they do business and this kind of thing is unacceptable.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
I disagree with the premise, although it does include a disclaimer. A new engine or an old one that could fail at any time? The new engine could fail at any time also. There's not enough information here. I'd rather have a well-cared for 18K mile engine than a 5K mile engine that's been flogged.

If I had to make a snap decision, I'd take my 75K mile engine over your (a generic "you") 5K mile engine because I know me, but not you. In the realm of use/misuse/abuse/hard use/neglect, I know exactly where I stand.

That's a good point. Either engine could fail at anytime.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chester///M
I think you're right.

Dealer has provided another car with 10,000 fewer miles, another year of warranty, red/black interior which is what I originally wanted, same color with same options and although it does not have black wheels or tinted glass they agreed to powder coat the wheels gloss black. They're paying for shipping out here.

While I'm a little weary of their character, they seem to be making good on what appears to be due to a lazy salesman who told me he verified the history, when in fact he did not. I have to be relentless on demanding evidence of anything these people tell me. Lesson learned.
It may just be marginal laziness. People think that Carfax knows and shows everything. If that's your standard, a clean report means a clean car. It's not the case though. Perhaps it's better than the Old Days, where the history was an impenetrable barrier before the last owner, but one still needs to exercise due diligence.

I actually like that your dealer is working to make sure you are satisfied, even though the first attempt was unsuccessful.

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I didnt think much of it originally but my wife was like a dog with a bone on existence of so many chips and worse, the horrible correction job. It looks like a kid with a bottle of red nail polish went to town. Horrible.
I've got chips because I drive the car. Unless it's a garage queen it's inevitable. A bad attempt at correction is inexcusable on a vehicle of this caliber. If you find a super cheap, really shitty Gremlin in my neighborhood though, let me know.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:25 PM
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The one thing that still bothers me is this car was CPO'd.

I know from owning BMW's that they can only CPO cars that are cream of the crop, no damage ever, no mechanical issues, low miles, etc.

It appears Jaguar does not follow those guidelines as this car with a new engine and other mechanical issues was CPO'd...that's concerning.

Does anyone know more about how Jaguar CPO's a car?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
It may just be marginal laziness. People think that Carfax knows and shows everything. If that's your standard, a clean report means a clean car. It's not the case though. Perhaps it's better than the Old Days, where the history was an impenetrable barrier before the last owner, but one still needs to exercise due diligence.

I actually like that your dealer is working to make sure you are satisfied, even though the first attempt was unsuccessful.



I've got chips because I drive the car. Unless it's a garage queen it's inevitable. A bad attempt at correction is inexcusable on a vehicle of this caliber. If you find a super cheap, really shitty Gremlin in my neighborhood though, let me know.

I agree with you.

I dont mind rock chips. They happen. Period.

The issue is the amature correction job.

GM told me he personally inspected the replacement car and it has one rock chip, and a clean warranty history, according to him.

I'm waiting on high resolution pics and the service sheets though to make sure he's right.
 

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Originally Posted by Unhingd
I think we have overwhelming concensus.
I think that might be a first for this forum!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 10:03 PM
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I can't believe you're actually considering keeping it. You're only uncovering what you could uncover by records. It could have been wrecked and rebuilt by a shifty repairman then who knows what. You have no idea what the real history is. Run fast, very fast. You will most likely seriously regret it if you keep it.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 355spider
I can't believe you're actually considering keeping it. You're only uncovering what you could uncover by records. It could have been wrecked and rebuilt by a shifty repairman then who knows what. You have no idea what the real history is. Run fast, very fast. You will most likely seriously regret it if you keep it.
Thanks for the advice.

I'm 99.9% sure I'm not keeping it.

I mentioned in another post that the dealer has put forward an alternative car that is acceptable to me.

I'm waiting for some additional information about it but I think I'll trust them to make it right.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2017 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
I disagree with the premise, although it does include a disclaimer. A new engine or an old one that could fail at any time? The new engine could fail at any time also. There's not enough information here. I'd rather have a well-cared for 18K mile engine than a 5K mile engine that's been flogged.

If I had to make a snap decision, I'd take my 75K mile engine over your (a generic "you") 5K mile engine because I know me, but not you. In the realm of use/misuse/abuse/hard use/neglect, I know exactly where I stand.

I'm the opposite. The #1 cause of failed engines are wear and time. The newer, the better. I've had quite a few 500HP+ cars in my life and I sell them for a living. A new engine is always a benefit in this industry.
 
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Get your shipping fees back too.
 
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