My lease is up around time 2019 model announced... here's hoping for something I really want to keep before the electrifaggedon. (I do have a LEAF commuter but am dreading the end of combustion sounds on the weekend)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/7/16...ing-everything

http://jalopnik.com/all-new-jaguars-...ect-1801752740

 

I wouldn't worry too much, it's not the end of the ICE for JLR, not by a long shot.
Quote: "We will introduce a portfolio of electrified products across our model range, embracing fully electric, plug-in hybrid and mild hybrid vehicles."
Translation - most JLR offerings will be mild hybrid, ie a nice powerful ICE with a 48v battery to drive the ancillaries.

 

"JLR’s announcement comes a week after fellow British brand Aston Martin said it would electrify all of its cars by 2025, and more than a month after Sweden’s Volvo would end gas-only vehicle production and introduce cars with some sort of sort of plug-in capability starting in 2019."
Yeah, kind of amazing, even Aston... Well, we'll still have hybrids

 

That's why I bought a v8 now.

 

I am going to hold on to my gas-only F-type R as long as there is gas to be bought. Hopefully that will last for the rest of my life

 

The move towards electrically powered cars will no doubt continue.

However the timescale that has been suggested might not be acheived.
In my country (UK) the government wants to get rid of new internal combustion powered cars by
2040.
First point is there will be several changes of government before then, the charging infrastructure isn't sufficiently widespread, range of EV not yet comparable to petrol or diesel.
Recharge / refuel times still massively favour petrol / diesel.
Battery capacity not likely to have sufficient capacity for heavy goods vehicles (trucks) anytime soon.

Finally even if battery technology improvements are exponential unless electric power generation moves substantially away from coal, gas and oil then EV aren't zero emissions as often claimed, they merely displace emissions to the power station.

In case it's not obvious from my opinion above I am not an EV aficionado and hope I am not around by the time autonomous vehicles and or EV become mainstream.

 

You can pry ICE from my dead overheated, oily hands!

 

That's my take too.

Dave

 

The issue for electrics remains the battery, we have a ton of work going on now to fix that and a viable breakthrough is likely within 5 years. However assuming it happened tomorrow you'd still need 2+ years to work out manufacturing and 2+ years to build and staff the plant, infrastructure is (in city centers) 4+ years and rural is 2-5 years longer. Optimistically we are talking a 2030 even + or - 5 years depending on how the government pushes for this. And this assumes it won't require we rethink current battery charging/integration (which is likely). So, I think we have time to enjoy our V8s.

 

think Porsche 918, et al.

Dave

 

First off, I'm not a big fan of electric cars for all the standard reasons. But the march is on and is one of the reasons that we have 2 V8 powered performance cars.

I had this exact conversation with my Congressman a few years ago. He agreed, but added the reasoning that emissions displacement to power stations (centralizing them) makes it easier and more effective to deal with. That's hard to disagree with.

Lastly, I read about JLR's electric intentions on Yahoo News. There are always comments about the articles. One asked how a car company well known for electrical problems could put out a reliable electric car.

 

The I Pace looked pretty interesting at the auto show last year. If the production model looks like the prototype, and it has 400HP/500lb ft of torque, I could see using one as my daily driver. A decent Tesla alternative at least. Of course I'll still keep my toys with supercharged v-8's for the weekends.

 

Whilst your Congressman may have a valid point, in my country and I suspect many other countries, unless we have a vast surplus of generation capacity including at peak consumption seasons, replacing the current volume of ICE cars would mean we couldn't all recharge them.
Additionally I haven't noticed any decline or even a reduction in the rate of increase in cars powered by ICE, consequently the power consumption to charge all the EV in future will be massive.

The drive to reduce recharge time can only come with increased current and power consumption, again in typical domestic properties in my country you will likely be disappointed if you expect to fast charge your EV at home and boil a kettle at the same time!

Put very simply most of the enthusiasm for EV comes from a section of society who are largely scientifically uneducated.

 

+1.

 

One potential problem with electric cars is that most power generating stations do maintenance work at night when the consumption is low.
Having ten's of thousands (or more) electric cars will hinder the maintenance and very well could cause brownouts during the night (or day).
Think of someone who has to get to work in the early am and has only a partially charged car..not good....or some one planning a trip the next morning but can't because of non sufficient charging.
More power stations would be the answer, but the "tree huggers" would certainly very loudly object and cause nasty delays...

 

The tree huggers wouldn't even be happy if we went back to horses as they wouldn't want the horse to take a poop and wouldn't pick it up.

 

The power generation issues (dirty generators and loading at night) have largely been debunked at this point. Bigger issue is that the neighborhood loading on transformers would be excessive and they could go up but the power companies, assuming the roll out wasn't immediate, think they can manage this. We can even wirelessly charge now and there are several efforts to get charging grids into interstates and garages but still looking at a timeline better than a decade out. There is no doubt they are cleaner though and the EU and China (otherwise known as the country where you can't breath anymore) will likely drive the wave. But if Trump gets booted the backlash could change that dynamic rather quickly with government mandates. Democrats are a tad rapid on the subject right now...

 

Thanks for that. Wireless charging is HUUUGEly inefficient though, isn't it?
(Also was wondering what a Sline was... Oooooh, S-Line... )

 

A couple of the other analysts have picked up used electric Fiats for dirt cheap, you can get a 2014 with low mileage for under $10K. I'd get one myself but I have too many cars atm (and I'd rather drive my AMG).

 

That's not quite right. New IC only cars will be banned, hybrids will still be allowed.