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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 12:01 PM
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Interesting. I didn't have any warning lights either. Did they give you a new warranty that covered the new engine and if so what were the details?
they gave me an additional year on the new motor.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 01:02 PM
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All good to know. In the end isn't a good thing to get a brand new engine though? Also, won't the engine be somewhat new with some type of small upgrades since the one I had is now 4 years old?
Pros and cons.

In the old days we used to say the best engine was one that had proven it could go 40,000 miles- then it could go to 300,000 with just care.
And manufacturers warranted it going to 60k. or 300k effectively.
With your new engine, you are not getting any longevity warranty.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 01:17 PM
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Pros and cons.

In the old days we used to say the best engine was one that had proven it could go 40,000 miles- then it could go to 300,000 with just care.
And manufacturers warranted it going to 60k. or 300k effectively.
With your new engine, you are not getting any longevity warranty.
yes this...^^^
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 01:52 PM
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Crazy. Okay. 1-year warranty on the engine is not great.
What about engine break-in tips/rules?
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 02:24 PM
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If you have the first-edition manual from 2013, they forgot to put the breaking-in procedure in it. They added it to the 2nd edition - see p. 134, under Maintenance...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j09tjrxzdx...20102.pdf?dl=0
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PatJags156
Crazy. Okay. 1-year warranty on the engine is not great.
Yes you have first hand experience of that.

For all you know, they may be pulling out a better engine than one that goes in.

Dont laugh, I stopped by previous practice of proactively replacing water pumps and timing belt at 50k- because very high probability the one I put in wont be as good as he one I take out.

A popular scam in developing countries, they come and disconnect a part while in the parking lot, then offer to replace defective part, which they genuinely do- all so that they can get your original quality part.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 02:38 PM
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On a side note here... It’s unfortunate that replacement internal parts are allegedly not available for our engines which makes a future rebuild difficult or maybe impossible.

My understanding is that pistons, rings, connecting rods and other parts are not individually available from Jag. It’s what I’ve read from people who have attempted to carry out engine repairs on XJs/XFs. No idea if the aftermarket have filled this gap or not.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DJS
If you have the first-edition manual from 2013, they forgot to put the breaking-in procedure in it. They added it to the 2nd edition - see p. 134, under Maintenance...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j09tjrxzdx...20102.pdf?dl=0
This is great, thank you!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 03:10 PM
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When I bought my 2010 5.0L XKR from a private party, I had my mechanic look at the car first. I had driven the car and there were no warnings showing. After listening to the car run for less than a minute, he told both me and the seller that the car was going to need a new engine. The seller had an aftermarket warranty that agreed to let my mechanic replace the engine and would cover costs. We found a used 5.0L engine from a wrecked car with under 6000 miles on it and all in with installation, the engine, and whatever parts were needed was $14000.00. Now I see why they were so happy to pay promptly, they probably saved at least $10,000.00 from doing it at the dealer. I then bought the car after all of the work was completed.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 03:34 PM
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I had my mechanic look at the car first. After listening to the car run for less than a minute, he told both me and the seller that the car was going to need a new engine.
How many guys did you two have to go though before finding one with extended warranty.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2018 | 07:14 PM
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It was the first XKR I looked at, and I was highly unimpressed with it when I drove it on a test drive. In fact, I was so unimpressed that I decided I didn't want it. That I took it to my mechanic was just on the insistence of the previous owner and me just not wanting to insult the owner. After the engine was installed, it was a completely different car, much peppier, much wilder, and with a new engine, I took her home where she has lived happily for the past 5 or 6 years.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 05:13 AM
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I just did a transmission replacement at 9k miles. Dealer said it would have cost $35k all in. Thankfully under warranty, as it is easily 50% of what the car is worth...
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 07:06 AM
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I don't understand how the prices can be so high. Is Jag's strategy to sell the car, and then hope it's taken off the road as soon as possible?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hades281
I don't understand how the prices can be so high. Is Jag's strategy to sell the car, and then hope it's taken off the road as soon as possible?
It seems that after a few years of depreciation, needing a new engine or transmission makes it a throwaway car. I love my F-type, but I would have to think long and hard about spending that kind of money out of warranty.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RIRR
It seems that after a few years of depreciation, needing a new engine or transmission makes it a throwaway car. I love my F-type, but I would have to think long and hard about spending that kind of money out of warranty.
I don’t understand this at all. The extremely high cost of repairs tanks resale value, which then devastates lease rates. No rational person would spend $35k on a transmission, so in the end the client has to scrap around on the salvage market and the dealership loses the business - or take such a breathtaking loss it will be his last. The other alternative is a rebuild, but who knows about part availability. We can’t buy pistons or connecting rods, so why should I expect 2nd gear to be available?

The ZF 8-speed transmission is basically the same one everyone uses. Even if some parts are JLR specific or even slightly upgraded, these changes can’t significantly impact the price of the unit... My Jeep Grand Cherokee uses the ZF 8-speed and I bought the whole damn truck brand new for less than your transmission replacement quote.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 10:29 AM
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Guys you cant fall for a dealer's nonsensical lies.
If a dead common transmission was $35,000....
  • People would be buying new cars and throwing the rest away to go sell the transmission.
  • Homebuilders would stop building homes that take 6months for less profit and start flipping transmissions
  • China would drop everything and flood the market with ZF transmissions and rebuild kits.
  • Every truck out of a ZF factory would be robbed.
  • Used Ftype prices would soar like like it had been used in a diamond robbery and the loot was still in the trunk.
After all this the prices of ZF transmissions would fall below $3k.

Reality is these guys at the car lot are so used to dishonest talk that you must not take anything at face value.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 10:41 AM
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Q&C... The transmission is Part No. C2D45620 with an official JLR list price of $19250.00 according to several Jag parts websites. I’m seeing discounts that bring it to $17k or so.

What price can you get it for?

With tax, labor, consumables and profit on the transmission that still puts you at the $20k mark which I think is utterly ridiculous. $20k for a transmission?

A new differential is almost $10k list for the part alone.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 10:50 AM
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$2k or less

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Speed-Aut...EAAOSwC2JaotTD
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 10:55 AM
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Dude.... That’s the point I was making. JLR prices and part availability pushes their clients away to FleaBay to buy a salvage who-knows unit. You then get the pleasure of paying for installation to see IF it even works by an Indy technician who probably seldom, if ever, sees an F-type.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2018 | 11:06 AM
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Everyone is doing it. Try pricing a rear end for a chevy or ford truck that is common as muck. Even worse.

They want to make a fortune on those parts and pay overhead also boost the value of a car under warranty.
 
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