F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

Fixed oem rear wing on the F-type

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 22, 2015 | 10:00 PM
  #21  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

I kind of like it, although I'd need to see it in person to make a final judgment. I expect that as an option it would be absurdly expensive. Do I like the carbon fiber diffuser? Sure. Is it worth anywhere near what they're asking? Nope. Not for someone who works for a living.
 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2022 | 11:37 AM
  #22  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
I kind of like it, although I'd need to see it in person to make a final judgment. I expect that as an option it would be absurdly expensive. Do I like the carbon fiber diffuser? Sure. Is it worth anywhere near what they're asking? Nope. Not for someone who works for a living.
Another thread pointed to this one and what do I find but my 2015 self talking to me across the years. The funny part is that while I still work for a living I do now have that carbon fiber diffuser, acquired as closeout NOS for something like 75% off the original price. I've just looked up that spoiler and it shows as only fitting 2018-2021. I suspect the listing is inaccurate because the deployable rear spoiler fits 2015-2021. Unless the electronic doohickey that fools the car into not missing the deployable spoiler changed I can't see the difference. I might have to dig for old accessory brochures to see if the part number matches.
 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2022 | 12:02 PM
  #23  
Therock88's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 1,031
From: (Illinois) - Led by Gov. PRICKster
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
Another thread pointed to this one and what do I find but my 2015 self talking to me across the years. The funny part is that while I still work for a living I do now have that carbon fiber diffuser, acquired as closeout NOS for something like 75% off the original price. I've just looked up that spoiler and it shows as only fitting 2018-2021. I suspect the listing is inaccurate because the deployable rear spoiler fits 2015-2021. Unless the electronic doohickey that fools the car into not missing the deployable spoiler changed I can't see the difference. I might have to dig for old accessory brochures to see if the part number matches.
The fixed spoiler will, in fact, fit various models. If what you looked up indicates a fit for 18-21, and JLR spec. shows it fitting all the others (including 18-19), then it is very likely to fit them all (except maybe 2021 when they did the redesign)? I am referring to part# Spoiler, Rear - Jaguar (T2R19419LML) - to be clear.

DC





 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2022 | 01:34 PM
  #24  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by Therock88
The fixed spoiler will, in fact, fit various models. If what you looked up indicates a fit for 18-21, and JLR spec. shows it fitting all the others (including 18-19), then it is very likely to fit them all (except maybe 2021 when they did the redesign)? I am referring to part# Spoiler, Rear - Jaguar (T2R19419LML) - to be clear.

DC
What I looked up on the official Jaguar US accessories site was T2R25912LML, which shows 2018-2021, and a dealer's online site says it will not fit my 2016. The deployable spoiler is T2R8153LML and shows 2015-2021. I just looked up the part number you provided, T2R19419LML, at the dealer site I was using for reference and it shows as fitting 2016-2019. It's also about $300 more than the other. I'm not sure what the high-end body shop would charge to paint to match. That's another consideration.

Then again, the JLR listing for the carbon fiber 6MT shift knob said "shift knob, manual" but the fitment list shows only automatics. Evidence indicates their accuracy is less than 100% :/


I don't have a printed accessories catalog from MY2016 in my files, but suspect there it one somewhere in the sediment here. I might be in the mood for archaeology later.
 
Reply
Old Mar 13, 2022 | 03:14 PM
  #25  
Therock88's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 1,031
From: (Illinois) - Led by Gov. PRICKster
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
What I looked up on the official Jaguar US accessories site was T2R25912LML, which shows 2018-2021, and a dealer's online site says it will not fit my 2016. The deployable spoiler is T2R8153LML and shows 2015-2021. I just looked up the part number you provided, T2R19419LML, at the dealer site I was using for reference and it shows as fitting 2016-2019. It's also about $300 more than the other. I'm not sure what the high-end body shop would charge to paint to match. That's another consideration.

Then again, the JLR listing for the carbon fiber 6MT shift knob said "shift knob, manual" but the fitment list shows only automatics. Evidence indicates their accuracy is less than 100% :/


I don't have a printed accessories catalog from MY2016 in my files, but suspect there it one somewhere in the sediment here. I might be in the mood for archaeology later.
Prep, prime, paint to match (includes time to match color), and clear should be $300-$500 depending on labor rates and materials in your area.

I left my original decklid/spoiler with the BS and told them to match that perfectly, and they did...

DC
 

Last edited by Therock88; Mar 14, 2022 at 06:48 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2022 | 06:12 AM
  #26  
skizot's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 526
Likes: 503
From: North Florida
Default

I know the T2R19419LML was the correct kit for MY16 car. I would assume there are some differences in what is included in the kit, as it is not just the wing. Comes with gaskets, control box, mounting plate, switches.
 
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2022 | 09:37 AM
  #27  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by skizot
I know the T2R19419LML was the correct kit for MY16 car. I would assume there are some differences in what is included in the kit, as it is not just the wing. Comes with gaskets, control box, mounting plate, switches.
I know that it's a kit but was getting information on application that didn't jibe with my assumptions. The Jaguar USA site only showed the other part number and it was here I found out about that one. First-hand knowledge FTW. Thanks to both you and DC for the guidance.
 
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2022 | 09:45 AM
  #28  
Therock88's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 1,031
From: (Illinois) - Led by Gov. PRICKster
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
I know that it's a kit but was getting information on application that didn't jibe with my assumptions. The Jaguar USA site only showed the other part number and it was here I found out about that one. First-hand knowledge FTW. Thanks to both you and DC for the guidance.
Here is the Installation guide that comes with the kit. Maybe helps??

DC

 
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
Wing Instructions JLR.pdf (693.8 KB, 212 views)
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2022 | 09:56 AM
  #29  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by Therock88
Here is the Installation guide that comes with the kit. Maybe helps??
Yes, it does. I hadn't thought about the switches. Also, it notes SDD in the last step. As I recall, you have or have access to SDD. If so, what modification was needed? I thought the control box was enough to fool the existing system and no changes to the vehicle configuration were necessary.
 
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2022 | 10:35 AM
  #30  
Therock88's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 1,031
From: (Illinois) - Led by Gov. PRICKster
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
Yes, it does. I hadn't thought about the switches. Also, it notes SDD in the last step. As I recall, you have or have access to SDD. If so, what modification was needed? I thought the control box was enough to fool the existing system and no changes to the vehicle configuration were necessary.
Yes...Like much of the JLR parts and documentation, it is hit or miss. I do have SDD and I had previously disabled the spoiler feature so it would not cap the top speed. However, I do not think any SDD coding is needed at all. That box that replaces the motor basically tells the ECU - "Nothing to see here, spoiler is fine...go about your business" So the car "thinks" the wing is working properly and no errors or speed limitations.

Here is what the box/module and mounting looks like too.

DC




Module on Plate

OEM Motor on OEM Plate

 
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2022 | 08:07 AM
  #31  
powerhouse's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,228
Likes: 600
From: Ireland
Default

I picked up a white one with module, plate everything just had to sprayed caledra red, bargain £380



 
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2022 | 08:48 AM
  #32  
Therock88's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 1,031
From: (Illinois) - Led by Gov. PRICKster
Default

Originally Posted by powerhouse
I picked up a white one with module, plate everything just had to sprayed caledra red, bargain £380
Wow! That is a REALLY good price! Some people get a "deal" on the spoiler, and do not think about the plate and/or module, and end up with a really cool looking (and expensive) paper weight

DC
 
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2022 | 07:13 PM
  #33  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Update: My local dealer says that T2R19419LML is superseded by T2R25912LML, and that both fit coupes of chassis number K22185 onwards.
 
Reply
Old Mar 24, 2022 | 09:06 PM
  #34  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by lizzardo
Update: My local dealer says that T2R19419LML is superseded by T2R25912LML, and that both fit coupes of chassis number K22185 onwards.
Moar update: I ordered T2R25912LML at my local dealer and they called later to say that it was backordered, no expected delivery date. They also said that T2R19419LML was available and could be had in a day or two. I got it and it's now at the body shop to be painted. It came without instructions, so again thanks to @Therock88 for posting them up earlier. I won't have it back this weekend, but should by next. It's going to be a bit boy-racer, but it's easily reversible should I decide to lower the profile a little.
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2022 | 03:53 PM
  #35  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Moar moar update:

I replaced the double switch (spoiler/eco) with the single eco switch. It seems that SDD is needed to tell the system that the one switch is for eco, not the spoiler. I've got eco that can't be disabled right now and an eco switch that tries to put the non-existent deployable spoiler in cleaning position. I'm going to put the double switch back in and see if it gives me switchable eco again.

Pretty minor problem, all things considered.

EDIT: I put the double switch back in and things are working as expected. The spoiler button gives an almost instant report that the spoiler is in cleaning position, but that's of no consequence.
 

Last edited by lizzardo; Apr 2, 2022 at 09:49 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2024 | 08:36 AM
  #36  
RA1526's Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Default

hey buddy sorry for bumping old post, but I have the factory oem fixed spoiler with no deploy spoiler button inside. I want to remove this spoiler and go to the cleaner oem deployable spoiler, is it possible? I guess I will need the interior button/trim thats for sure..

Originally Posted by Therock88
Yes...Like much of the JLR parts and documentation, it is hit or miss. I do have SDD and I had previously disabled the spoiler feature so it would not cap the top speed. However, I do not think any SDD coding is needed at all. That box that replaces the motor basically tells the ECU - "Nothing to see here, spoiler is fine...go about your business" So the car "thinks" the wing is working properly and no errors or speed limitations.

Here is what the box/module and mounting looks like too.

DC




Module on Plate

OEM Motor on OEM Plate
 
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2024 | 08:41 AM
  #37  
RA1526's Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Default

hey buddy, sorry for bringing up an old topic but I have the exact problem in reverse 😁, I have the fixed spoiler and want to go deployable.. I have the single eco button inside. Do you think if I remove the spoiler I should have the necessary wiring to install the deployable spoiler and also tell the car to deploy and retract it at the given speeds? Thanks in advance!



Originally Posted by lizzardo
Moar moar update:

I replaced the double switch (spoiler/eco) with the single eco switch. It seems that SDD is needed to tell the system that the one switch is for eco, not the spoiler. I've got eco that can't be disabled right now and an eco switch that tries to put the non-existent deployable spoiler in cleaning position. I'm going to put the double switch back in and see if it gives me switchable eco again.

Pretty minor problem, all things considered.

EDIT: I put the double switch back in and things are working as expected. The spoiler button gives an almost instant report that the spoiler is in cleaning position, but that's of no consequence.
 
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2024 | 09:51 AM
  #38  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by HarryBarry
hey buddy, sorry for bringing up an old topic but I have the exact problem in reverse 😁, I have the fixed spoiler and want to go deployable.. I have the single eco button inside. Do you think if I remove the spoiler I should have the necessary wiring to install the deployable spoiler and also tell the car to deploy and retract it at the given speeds? Thanks in advance!
If you have the genuine Jaguar "Sport Design" fixed spoiler, I would expect the wiring to be there. The module under the spoiler replaces the motor drive unit for the deployable spoiler and mimics it so the system sees normal operation. The pictures from DC you've shown in the previous post show it quite clearly.

What I don't know is whether it would work as expected without modifying the car configuration file. I expect it would not without that change. Those buttons in the console don't directly control anything. They are simply switches that send a signal to one of the many computers. The system then interprets that particular signal according to the configuration file. The double-size eco switch that replaced the eco and spoiler switches was not being interpreted correctly for me because I did not change the configuration file, so put the originals back. I have a working eco switch and a deployable spoiler switch that thinks it's doing something but is really useless. That doesn't matter to me, because for the US market the switch only raises the spoiler for cleaning. Once the car is in motion, the switch does nothing anyway.
 
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2024 | 12:25 PM
  #39  
RA1526's Avatar
Banned
Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Default

hi thanks for the comprehensive reply! I just watched a vid of a guy removing the oem fixed spoiler (from factory), the spoiler or the mounting area had no wiring whatsoever.. this lead me to another option which I would love to hear your opinion on.. I think although I like the clean look having no wing would be a problem due to lack of downforce especially at 300kph+ speeds, my best option would probably be to install the svr wing in its deployed open position fixed permanently. This way I would get the complete svr look, downforce and no fiddly wiring error codes etc..

what do you think buddy? Thanks!



Originally Posted by lizzardo
If you have the genuine Jaguar "Sport Design" fixed spoiler, I would expect the wiring to be there. The module under the spoiler replaces the motor drive unit for the deployable spoiler and mimics it so the system sees normal operation. The pictures from DC you've shown in the previous post show it quite clearly.

What I don't know is whether it would work as expected without modifying the car configuration file. I expect it would not without that change. Those buttons in the console don't directly control anything. They are simply switches that send a signal to one of the many computers. The system then interprets that particular signal according to the configuration file. The double-size eco switch that replaced the eco and spoiler switches was not being interpreted correctly for me because I did not change the configuration file, so put the originals back. I have a working eco switch and a deployable spoiler switch that thinks it's doing something but is really useless. That doesn't matter to me, because for the US market the switch only raises the spoiler for cleaning. Once the car is in motion, the switch does nothing anyway.
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2024 | 10:28 AM
  #40  
lizzardo's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,946
Likes: 1,305
From: Northern California
Default

Originally Posted by HarryBarry
hi thanks for the comprehensive reply! I just watched a vid of a guy removing the oem fixed spoiler (from factory), the spoiler or the mounting area had no wiring whatsoever.. this lead me to another option which I would love to hear your opinion on.. I think although I like the clean look having no wing would be a problem due to lack of downforce especially at 300kph+ speeds, my best option would probably be to install the svr wing in its deployed open position fixed permanently. This way I would get the complete svr look, downforce and no fiddly wiring error codes etc..

what do you think buddy? Thanks!
I was told that the SVR wing has multiple positions, but haven't looked one over. I think the "top speed" setting is actually lower than the full height for drag reduction, but again, that's just some bit of information that was rattling around in my head from something I read, and may not be accurate. Someone with an SVR will need to speak up. The standard deployable rear spoiler and the Sport Design fixed spoiler are spoilers, not wings, despite the latter having extension "wings." I think the SVR wing is actually a wing, aerodynamically speaking, but again don't take that as absolute fact.

Going from one fixed to a different fixed would be simpler as far as switches and programming, since nothing would change. The mechanics of it? You'd be on your own with that.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:31 PM.