Mine has everything. All upgrades possible at the time. Heated racing wheel?lol?, crappy buzzing 770w radio, Villanous red stitching etc..I purchased November 2013, its a 2014 V8 S. At the time Carbon Ceramics were not available for me. I was interested but I would've had to wait a few months to get the all black stealth machine with them and 'who got time fo that?'

There are pictures of it here, Bond would **** his Union jack pants:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...s-mods-136993/

 

The Laguna Seca lap times were done by Randy Pobst.

Yes he was 2 seconds faster in the V8S versus the R but also only .9 seconds faster in the R versus the XKR-S. So maybe he had an especially good lap in the V8S or a bad lap in R or maybe tires or maybe temperature or one bad turn or whatever ... that is not he final answer, more interesting would be the Ring.

 

Well, last time I looked the V8 'R' was slightly cheaper than the V8 S here in California, so there is that to comfort you.

 

The MSRP of all coupes has been $5K less than all comparable convertibles since coupe introduction.

 

It is not, again the MSRP for a V8S is $92k and for an F-Type R is $99K. You cannot compare your options to another car and quiet frankly if you do not have ceramics there is no way you can get to $115k for a V8S unless you included the taxes you paid as well.

The roll argument makes no sense, both have the same engine so no major weight difference.

here is an R going around the Ring and I see no roll, even my XKR-S, which is heavier has no roll to be experienced ....

 

My mistake. I was only thinking of the two V6 cars. Since there will be a direct comparison on the '16 V8s, I would guess that will hold true again (identically equipped) because the convertible is more expensive to manufacture.

 

A driving school/beginner session with Hooked on Driving is around $350 for Sonoma or Laguna Seca. You can buy Lockton Insurance for $100K w/ a 10% deducible for about $700. So Around $1K not including wear and tear on your car (tires/brakes). So it's comparable to the Level 1 price. But you get a full day, 1 on 1 instructor, and more track than you want as a beginner. But obviously you are driving your own car...

 

Just curious if there are any V8S owners who are willing to say they can beat an XF-R/RS or F-TypeR around the track...any track? XKR, yes. It has the limited 6 speed and has trouble coming out of corners due the trans...

 

Of the 4 cars, the XKR was the most disappointing. Think it was the transmission or maybe too aggressive traction control, but it was horrible to drive around. Not very smooth. I thought the XFR was the easiest to drive smoothly around the track.

 

That is entirely dependent upon the driver. I've seen professional drivers in bone-stock Mustangs leave supercars driven by their amateur owners as little dots in the rear view mirror.

There is no doubt in my mind that an experienced track driver in a base V6 could handily thrash the average driver in an R-coupe by a wide margin. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the average amateur is quicker around a track in a V6, because it is far more forgiving than an R and less likely to swap ends.

It's one thing to drive a high-powered car fast in a straight line, but it's quite a different matter to handle a challenging road course. More power does not necessarily win the day and often bites you.

 

With or without a straight face?

 

+1. That loose nut located right behind the steering wheel is the most important performance equipment on the vehicle.
Traction control, ABS, launch control, automated transmissions, torque vectoring all help to equalize driver skill levels (and even help keep the mediocre drivers from killing themselves with a 500+hp car). The only way to test two cars is with the same skilled driver. I too suspect on a tight track (Waterford Hills), the V6S might even beat out an R. (lighter and better weight distribution). No bets with the R-AWD, however.

 

I completely missed this yesterday . . . very interesting!

 

[QUOTE=lhoboy;1170225 The only way to test two cars is with the same skilled driver.[/QUOTE]

And for that we need our tame racing driver. Some say...

 

Which is exactly what we see here in the times posted by Randy Probst at Laguna Seca, where the V8S time was 2 seconds faster than the R coupe.

Laguna Seca (post 1988) lap records - FastestLaps.com

 

Track temps (laps done a year apart) could account for some of that, but 2 seconds is too significant to ignore. The S was definitely set up better than the R.

 

One swallow does not a summer make.

However, isn't this a no-brainer. Same engine, lighter car. I can't see what the big deal is. If it was a V6S or base putting a faster time on an R, that would be headline news, and go viral in 10 seconds. There's probably be some sort of Royal Commission or Senate Enquiry over it.

 

Who said it was a "big deal?" Just a point of interest . . . But, I suppose that 80% stiffer chassis doesn't help much.

 

Not to you, it wouldn't.

 

it is kind of a big deal. Look at the specs. The V8S vert is actually heavier with 55 fewer horses and a more flexible frame. Theoretically it should be slower than the R.