Jaguar Performance Driving Academy Level 1 Overview/Review
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OK, then. I think the solution is...
Dear Top Gear,
We're hoping you can help us... The worldwide internet world is abuzz with this controversy about why one pro-driver managed to post a 1.19 sec quicker time in an F Type V8S, and couldn't replicate it in a V8R over a year later.
Of course, factors like the weather conditions on the two days (what range does "normal conditions" describe), the fact that the second time was posted (Sep '14) over a year after the first (Oct '13), or whether the driver had a big night beforehand shouldn't be considered.
Nor should the setup state of the cars (suspension, tyres, brakes) which are usually press cars that have been thrashed to buggery.
Taking any of those factors in to account might prevent us from drawing wild conclusions from a single data point comparison.
So we at JaguarForums propose you should take your tame race driver, and get two relatively unscathed versions of these cars, and post some times on your own track.
We dont expect it will settle anything, but it will assist us with prolonging this entertaining thread, and allow us to generate much more witty banter.
Best regards,
Oz and the crew at JaguarForums
We're hoping you can help us... The worldwide internet world is abuzz with this controversy about why one pro-driver managed to post a 1.19 sec quicker time in an F Type V8S, and couldn't replicate it in a V8R over a year later.
Of course, factors like the weather conditions on the two days (what range does "normal conditions" describe), the fact that the second time was posted (Sep '14) over a year after the first (Oct '13), or whether the driver had a big night beforehand shouldn't be considered.
Nor should the setup state of the cars (suspension, tyres, brakes) which are usually press cars that have been thrashed to buggery.
Taking any of those factors in to account might prevent us from drawing wild conclusions from a single data point comparison.
So we at JaguarForums propose you should take your tame race driver, and get two relatively unscathed versions of these cars, and post some times on your own track.
We dont expect it will settle anything, but it will assist us with prolonging this entertaining thread, and allow us to generate much more witty banter.
Best regards,
Oz and the crew at JaguarForums
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even with the same driver, some drivers are better suited for certain types of cars/setup. I wouldn't be surprised if the V8S was faster. The 550/502 power/torque is hard to put down (why many high power cars go AWD). It might be one of those situations where less is more.
According to the specs on the Jag site (Relative specs), curb weight of both is 1665kg, so we're both wrong apparently (unless one had CCB's and the other didnt).
Great letter. Let's see if someone responds. Maybe Probst packed on a couple hundred pounds over the winter.
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Hmmm....I wonder if anyone *else* has had a certified weight on their car. I know that WaltB weighed his V8S and it came in at 4130 lbs as I watched. Not sure that I believe the 3600 lbs weight from Jag.
Yeah...a tank of gas doesn't weigh 530 lbs.
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even with the same driver, some drivers are better suited for certain types of cars/setup. I wouldn't be surprised if the V8S was faster. The 550/502 power/torque is hard to put down (why many high power cars go AWD). It might be one of those situations where less is more.
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Schwabe, all good points, but I was much more interested in how the F-Types compared to so many other cars, rather than the comparison between coupe and convert. It was respectable and certainly holds it own against the Cayman.
I was somewhat surprised to see a Mustang Boss 302 (444hp/380tq) with a slightly better lap time. It's essentially the same weight, with a solid rear axle, albeit a pretty capable track suspension straight off the assembly line.
I was somewhat surprised to see a Mustang Boss 302 (444hp/380tq) with a slightly better lap time. It's essentially the same weight, with a solid rear axle, albeit a pretty capable track suspension straight off the assembly line.
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Thanks Swabe,
That was great to see. Probst had essentially the same comments on both F-Types during his lap. From the parts the editors chose to show us, both exhibited liberal amounts of tire spin and oversteer. Both vids were shot on dry, sunny days at Laguna Seca.
That was great to see. Probst had essentially the same comments on both F-Types during his lap. From the parts the editors chose to show us, both exhibited liberal amounts of tire spin and oversteer. Both vids were shot on dry, sunny days at Laguna Seca.
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Having also lived close to there for a decade, I would say, 90% of the time that's what you get, but there are also those foggy, cool mornings, and occasional monsoons. Temps generally don't vary by much more than 20ºF year-round.
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I knew you lived here so I was sort of half joking...light rain today but yeah,usually weather is somewhere in the mid 50's to upper 60's but as you know,can feel a lot colder at times.
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You paid $115,000 for a V8S. You overpaid. I got my loaded R couple for tens of thousands less.
Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about....I had a 2010 XFR, and now have an F-Type R. The XFR is an AMAZING car that gives up little performance in exchange for lots more comfort and utility. Love the F-Type, but your comments on the XFR are completely misplaced.
You paid $115,000 for a V8S. You overpaid. I got my loaded R couple for tens of thousands less.
You paid $115,000 for a V8S. You overpaid. I got my loaded R couple for tens of thousands less.
Regarding the XFR, let me provide you with some context. I've driven the XFR a number of times now in the last few years and had one as a loaner car for a couple of weeks last year. I also spent some time with this car on the track with the performance academy. Its a good car, however if I don't think its worth $85k that is purely my opinion.
Nor are my comments misplaced, since this is a discussion forum regarding Jaguar cars...
I never stated any incorrect facts, merely my opinion and hence, I know exactly 'what I'm talking about'.
Good day.
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Well, nobody usually includes sales tax when they comparatively discuss car prices because taxes are dependent on location. There is no way a reader of your post would have understood that your post included taxes.
As to my comment that your comments on the XFR are misplaced, I simply meant that I don't agree with you as I had lived with the XFR for 5 years.
We may disagree but we do agree that we both have strong opinions. It's healthy and hopefully the passion was not misplaced 😉
As to my comment that your comments on the XFR are misplaced, I simply meant that I don't agree with you as I had lived with the XFR for 5 years.
We may disagree but we do agree that we both have strong opinions. It's healthy and hopefully the passion was not misplaced 😉
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