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Looming deadline for Jaguar's V8,V6 in EU ?

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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 06:36 AM
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Interesting, today the EU commission was presenting the "New green deal" at Davos. And in the speech was something new, in the aspect that special import taxes are planned for products with high emissions imported from outside the EU. Now,. from 31/01 UK is not part of the EU anymore, but there will be a transition year. I think, after this the air might become thin for Jaguar if they dont assemble in the EU.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cleantex
Interesting, today the EU commission was presenting the "New green deal" at Davos. And in the speech was something new, in the aspect that special import taxes are planned for products with high emissions imported from outside the EU. Now,. from 31/01 UK is not part of the EU anymore, but there will be a transition year. I think, after this the air might become thin for Jaguar if they dont assemble in the EU.
Don't pre-empt the outcome of the trade negotiations ....
And there are more people outside the EU than in it.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 07:47 AM
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I am perfectly fine if EU choke thier automotive manufacturers to death with regulations. More jobs for the rest of us.

Most F-types are sold to US.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SinF
I am perfectly fine if EU choke thier automotive manufacturers to death with regulations. More jobs for the rest of us.

Most F-types are sold to US.
No, thats wrong.
If I take 2018 : Europe 4.122
_________________US 2.268
 
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Originally Posted by Cleantex
No, thats wrong.
If I take 2018 : Europe 4.122
_________________US 2.268
I wonder if the 2018 front end refresh also cut Europe sales in half, as it did in the US.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RacerX
I wonder if the 2018 front end refresh also cut Europe sales in half, as it did in the US.
The sales figures had the same trend also the years before,
but if I just take for 2019, till november (because dec. data in EU not yet in)

F-Type sales EU 3093
F-Type sales US 2123

Problem of british, the tabloids. They are writing the past years nothing else as if they dont need Europe, because Europe anyway just generate costs.
I think the awaking will be rude.




 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 09:46 AM
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Never thought sales were so low.
 

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F-Types are a niche market. Not everyone has such good taste as we do.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 11:04 AM
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they got rid of the 4 pot here in the U.S.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 12:02 PM
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Every time they "refresh" the original they lose sales.

MY | Sales
2014 | 6,362
2015 | 4,659
2016 | 4,069
2017 | 4,108
2018 | 2,268
2019 | 2,279
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerX
Every time they "refresh" the original they lose sales.

MY | Sales
2014 | 6,362
2015 | 4,659
2016 | 4,069
2017 | 4,108
2018 | 2,268
2019 | 2,279
Is that just the North American sales? there only 23'745 in your list, but the total F-Type production has surpassed 66'000 cars now.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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Regardless of EU "emissions" regs we know the deal with Ford to build the V6 and V8 is coming to an end soonish, last I heard was Dec 2020.
Who knows what JLR will replace those engines with, various rumours over the years of Beemer 4.4 twin turbo V8, Merc V8, Ingenium I6 (with or without turbo and with or without "mild hybrid" leccy motor) and full BEV motor such as the I-Pace or upcoming XJ motor. We just have to wait and see.
If they go with full BEV (and they may have no choice to keep within the EU regs corporately) I reckon that will pretty much spell the end of the F-Type.
 
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Ingenium I6 without a hybrid has a potential to be excellent engine.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 07:46 PM
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As the F-Type is finally pretty cheap compared to the other super cars and offers alot of fun, despite sales figures never exploded. Now, given such import taxes where you would have all Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, AMG, and..... not punished and always having an exception for exotic gasoil engines that owners want, this could be deadly for Jaguar sports. I have no problem to drive an every day electric car, but I would never spend over average money on such car.




 

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Originally Posted by Cleantex
As the F-Type is finally pretty cheap compared to the other super cars and offers alot of fun, despite sales figures never exploded. Now, given such import taxes where you would have all Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, AMG, and..... not punished and always having an exception for exotic gasoil engines that owners want, this could be deadly for Jaguar sports. I have no problem to drive an every day electric car, but I would never spend over average money on such car.
The fewer sales the better IMO. I too would drive an electric golf cart type commuter for grocery runs, but EVs are, as Matt Farah put it, the first disposable cars. $10,000 is a good price point for an EV. A dead, low mileage Nissan Leaf plus a brand new battery hits that price point.
 

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Old Jan 22, 2020 | 10:07 PM
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The very limited number of F-Types on the road, is one of the things I love about this car. And it's certainly one of the reasons why it attracts so much attention on the road. That may eventually influence the resale value.
 
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I don't think the refresh had any thing to do with it. Two seaters are in a downword trend! Does anyone remember before the Porsche Boxster and Audi TT came out ? Brought the sportscar back at the time.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2020 | 04:58 AM
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What is interesting, the Porsche Taycan, started last september, has already about 10000 sold cars and about 30000 running contracts. That's awesome if you consider that the charging stations are in Europe mostly not existing on a wide scale map. And Tesla just jumped over 100 Billion at stock market, higher as Volkswagen. And they just start to build a new plant in Germany that was former planned in the UK. But Brexit made them move away. Elon Musk sure not the most silly guy on earth.
Now, imagine your child playing with a battery toy car, and your house has only 1 socket that mother use in daytime for vacum cleaner, kitchen machine and so on. To load the build inside accu's, no chance for the kid. If the toy car came with interchangeable accu's, you could reload the spare sets overnight and the kid will stop to throw the car against the wall. For real cars also a better solution and China is working on battery swapping systems. So I think we are only in middle age of all this and no reason to spent big money.
 
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Is it possible to get the actual breakdown of production numbers by color and vert/coupe from 2015?
 
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Old Jan 23, 2020 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tp10XKR
Is it possible to get the actual breakdown of production numbers by color and vert/coupe from 2015?
I found the following : EU
F-Type Roadster F-Type Coupe
2013 2.750 0
2014 2.030 2.611
2015 1.546 3.011
2016 1.669 2.872
2017 1.558 2.980

For US I found no data.


 
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