Thanks for the video. Nothing too surprising. I think power/weight the Nissan has the edge. But the biggest factor is the launch control.

 

Indeed my suspicions that launch control is the major factory: 2009 Nissan GTR - First Test - Motor Trend Page 2

0-60 mph, 3.2 vs 4.0 seconds
1/4 mile, 11.6 sec @ 120.0 mph vs 12.2 sec @ 119.7 mph

Of course this is for a 2009 MY but you can see how launch control really helps.

I have mix feelings about whether the F-Type needs LC. LC is one of those "gimmicky" things that makes headlines but is never really used in "real life". But it'd be fun to use once in a while when you are feeling like a 16-year old who just got his license.

 

This is about what I expected. A better launch on a better surface could net a 3.2-3.4 second 0-60 and a high 11s quarter mile. I'm happy without launch control. The GTRs system has not proved to have great longevity. Basically reducing the life of the transmission each time it is used lol.

 

At the risk of offending some Datsun owners out there, it doesn't matter how fast it is, the GTR is still butt ugly by comparison.

 

Power to weight & launch control definitely play a huge part in the outcome but it all depends on who's driving. Many articles have the '15' R's 0-60 time at 3.6. Car&Driver has it at 3.5. I'm pretty sure the AWD R can shave a couple tenths off that with the right driver.

 

AWD R is estimated at 3.2-3.3 from what I've read.

 

At the risk of offending those who value 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, once electronics supplant skill, it doesn't matter. In the Old Days, a good 1/4 mile time required skill. Admittedly different skill than that to get a good road course time, but skill nonetheless.


Push a couple of buttons, mash the accelerator, release the brake? Any fool can manage that. Many do.

 

I think you guys are over analyzing this. 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times are just ways to measure straight line performance. A 991 Turbo S is faster than a GTR, a GTR is faster than a F-Type R, a F-Type R is faster than a C7, etc.

 

was expecting that

gtr launch control is still one of the best....well this side of a 991 turbo s pdk

selling my modified gtr to make garage space for the f-type, but resigned myself to it being far slower a long time ago lol

really, unless you bought said 991 TTS, you'll just have to wait for the next generation of sports cars to filter down some of that hybrid tech to best a gtr

 

It is that in comparison to virtually everything.

 

Nissan might be faster but I don't want to look at it all day.

 

The C7 is quoted by C&D at 3.7 secs. to 60. It's also considerably cheaper than a base F-Type, starting at $57K.

The C7 Z06 is also considerably cheaper than an F-Type R, starting at $80K, it is also considerably faster, and it weighs about 700 lbs less. C&D says 3.0 to 60, which would put it in a dead heat with the GTR and the 991 Turbo S.

 

Yes, Z06 is another story. Incredibly fast, straight line and at the track. Not sure where the V6 F-Type entered the picture. I guess I only start thinking "fast" once you get into the 11 second territory. V6 F-Type and C7 will do 12s, which is fast compared to most cars, for modern sports cars breaking into 11s is needed to be "fast". Of course that's just by subjective definition.

 

I'm a little hung up on the notion of fast. I have a motorcycle that one of the magazines clocked at a sub-10 quarter mile off the showroom floor, but I've got another with half the horsepower that is more fun on most of the twisty roads I traverse. I suspect I'd even do faster lap times at Sears Point on it. Why do so many think the Miata is such a fantastic car? Perhaps the Fun Factor, as opposed to the Fast Factor?

 

Blah this and Blah that; what it comes down to is that a GT-R, although stupidly expensive for a twin-turbo Altima, is pretty much a classless, pedestrian and unrefined transport for youngish boys with too much testosterone and not enough panache. There is no use in showing up for something a couple tenths of a second ahead of your 'competition' if you do it in something so mundane as a GT-R.

 

this thread is heating up so i'll lend my pov, chiefly that looks are subjective

no doubt the gtr is function, a whole'lotta function, over form. What is commendable is that they dictated their own design, rather than the typical approach of jdm cars to copy euro styling cues

the gtr, even now as a 8 year design, still gets alot of looks on the road, and has a huge amount of street cred. initially quite a few of my older mates who had euro sports cars, ended up buying gtrs too, mainly for the performance. i'll admit lately depreciation has caused them to fall into a different demographic that is more interested in the ricer fast n furious image than the original new car buyers

despite a hefty engine/trans build, i kept my gtr rather conservative on the exterior, replaced the rear wing for a carbon trunk, some ADV1's and small dry carbon exterior detailing. i did, however, have to do a full interior retrim in nappa leather as coming from a euro background, the stitched vinyl everywhere inside was painful

the performance is an argument that cannot be debated, i can drive down to the strip, run 9's on 21" michelin pilot sports, and drive home in auto mode with the aircon on. no other platform can offer that balance bw tuneable performance and driveability for the money, and that's it's selling point

it is not an f-type competitor, with or without an awd option

 

Don't sugar-coat it. Tell us what you really think.

 

funny enough, this on the freeway yesterday

 

I thought the F-Type had some kind of launch control? Something about stepping on the brake and revving past 4k activated it, or something like that?