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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 10:25 AM
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So this topic came up in an unrelated thread and I'm having a hard time grasping why the weight capacity of a 550 HP car that has top of the line everything can only carry 419 lbs.


So I looked at my wife's Mini Cooper S and that tiny car has almost double at 816 lbs.



Then I call my brother who owns a Ferrari to see if this is some kind of "sports car" thing. It isn't. His Ferrari's rating is 2150 lbs (5070-2920). Granted, that's a 4-seater with a V-12 engine, but FIVE TIMES higher!



So can anyone explain why it's so low?? I mean, that's easily reachable. I weigh 205. My buddy who I took a 4-hour drive with weighs 300. We had about 40 ponds of luggage. So that simple trip was 126 pounds over the car's stated limit?? Crazy.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 10:46 AM
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Wow! That is totally bizarre! Like you I'm not a small guy and neither are some of my friends. We've definitely exceeded this limit a number of times.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 11:03 AM
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Mazda Miata labelled for 340 lbs!

Car weight limits are a big, fat problem - USATODAY.com
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 11:19 AM
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Haha; As I said in that thread; my 2010 Harley FLHTC is rated to carry more than that. Sure glad my wife is little! LOL.

Seriously; it is odd but it isn't like anything catastrophic is going to happen at 420 lbs...


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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 12:23 PM
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It's a tire-rating and liability issue, having nothing to do with the car's actual capacity. Tire manufacturers post very conservative and low limits as a CYA legal strategy. Moreover, low profile tires aren't rated to carry as much weight as taller tires, which makes some sense.

I just looked at my Jeep Cherokee w/ 245/65 tires, and it's rated at nearly 1000 lbs.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Tire manufacturers post very conservative and low limits as a CYA legal strategy.
This is my main problem with this.

I'm 205. My passenger is say 175. Pretty normal figures. We both have 20 pounds in luggage. Again, very normal. We wipe out due to mechanical failure, again under normal driving conditions. We're not covered...because we weight overloaded a six-figure car?? It's preposterous.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PolkNole
This is my main problem with this.

I'm 205. My passenger is say 175. Pretty normal figures. We both have 20 pounds in luggage. Again, very normal. We wipe out due to mechanical failure, again under normal driving conditions. We're not covered...because we weight overloaded a six-figure car?? It's preposterous.
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. All it means is that you may have a harder time collecting a multi-million $$ settlement, if you decide to sue a tire manufacturer after a blow-out/accident. Probability-wise, you're at a higher risk of cracking your head open getting in and out of the shower . . . LOL.
 

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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 12:44 PM
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I wouldn't lose sleep over it. All it means is that you may have a harder time collecting a multi-million $$ settlement, if you decide to sue a tire manufacturer after a blow-out/accident . . . LOL.
Why should I have a "harder time"? Did I create an unsafe situation? These are completely normal situations. And yet, our manufacturer says the car is overloaded.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PolkNole
Why should I have a "harder time"? Did I create an unsafe situation? These are completely normal situations. And yet, our manufacturer says the car is overloaded.
Yes, you carried too much luggage. :-)
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 03:53 PM
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PolkNole
This is my main problem with this.

I'm 205. My passenger is say 175. Pretty normal figures. We both have 20 pounds in luggage. Again, very normal. We wipe out due to mechanical failure, again under normal driving conditions. We're not covered...because we weight overloaded a six-figure car?? It's preposterous.
I doubt that would hold up in court. Do they expect you to carry a portable scale and weigh you and your passenger each time you get into the car, including any luggage? That limit is more of a guideline and chances are, you will sell the car long before Jag comes after you, the consumer, for "overloading" their vehicle. Anyways, that would destroy their public image.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PolkNole
This is my main problem with this.

I'm 205. My passenger is say 175. Pretty normal figures. We both have 20 pounds in luggage. Again, very normal. We wipe out due to mechanical failure, again under normal driving conditions. We're not covered...because we weight overloaded a six-figure car?? It's preposterous.

Not covered? By your insurance?

It's stretching my imagination a bit. My guess is that your insurance company would pay claims and 'settle' damages just as they always like to do. Bingo bango bongo. All done.

If the insurance company then tries to recoup by suing Jaguar or the tire manufacturer for the mechanical failure then the issue of overloading *might* come up, if the overloading was something beyond all reason.

I have doubts that any lawyer is gonna hang their hat on the car being loaded with, let's say, 519 pounds versus 419 pounds.

I'd be far more worried about getting killed by a drunk driver, personally.

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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 09:00 PM
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I think it's a performance issue: don't expect top speed and ultimate handling if you exceed the rated capacity. Since we drive on public roads at only a fraction of the car's potential, no problem. Damn the lawyers. To me it just means "don't expect 0 to 60 in 4.3 if you are over the rated weight limit."
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 09:34 PM
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So here in Australia the kerb weight is listed at 1567kg
And the Gross Vehicle Mass GVM is 2000kg

That gives a passenger and luggage max weight of 433kg or 954 pounds.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AnD3rew
So here in Australia the kerb weight is listed at 1567kg
And the Gross Vehicle Mass GVM is 2000kg

That gives a passenger and luggage max weight of 433kg or 954 pounds.
Wait - what? Same car, massively different weight limits??

Door label pic please...
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PolkNole
Wait - what? Same car, massively different weight limits??

Door label pic please...
I got those numbers from the website for the current V6S. Mine is a 2014 here is the door label but it is a little

less clear. But still seems generally in line with what I posted.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2016 | 11:07 PM
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Not exactly certain what cars you guys are driving around, but mine has a maximum tare weight of 1027 lbs.
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Old Mar 12, 2016 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
Not exactly certain what cars you guys are driving around, but mine has a maximum tare weight of 1027 lbs.
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Yep, the document you posted pretty much agrees with the door placard I posted for my car. Mine is a little older. But roughly 1000lbs tare give or take a few lbs.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2016 | 12:31 AM
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The total vehicle weight overrides the per axle maximums, and the tire ratings override the vehicle maximums.

If y'all want to be lugging hog feed around, you'll need to downgrade to 16" wheels and higher profile tires!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2016 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AnD3rew
So here in Australia the kerb weight is listed at 1567kg
And the Gross Vehicle Mass GVM is 2000kg

That gives a passenger and luggage max weight of 433kg or 954 pounds.
Maybe Aussie's are are a bit fatter than Americans.
 
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