Just found out during my State Inspection that my four tires need replacement. Car only has 11.5K miles. Ofcourse Jaguar says that's normal for the Pzero Run Flats (20's) and that I need to deal with Pirelli, but Pirelli does not warranty for tread wear only defects. The Pirelli warranty booklet doesn't even reference a tread wear warranty for the Pzero summer tires. I've had many cars with RF's from Michelin, Dunlop, Goodyear, Continental and never experienced wear of less than 22K miles. From what I found in the forum, wear between 8 and 12K miles is normal for the Pzeros. Do I have any recourse?


PS - I'm not a litigious person but this looks like possible grounds for a class action suit against Jaguar/Pirelli. It's a joke that Jaguar is putting these tires on their cars. Not to mention providing summer tires on a AWD vehicle, ridiculous.

 

The OEM Pirellis are not run-flats.

 

Performance tires have a wide range of life - often depending on weight of car, power levels, alignment settings, and of course driving style. I've heard of as low as 6000 miles for a set to maybe 20,000.

Look at the bright side, you can ditch those horrible Pirellis and get Michellins now

 

Er, why ridiculous?

 

I'd say putting all-seasons on a performance car is ridiculous, but not everyone feels that way

 

As someone who has been running Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06’s for the last 4 years - year round, which includes winter - I certainly don’t feel that way. 1) I’ve never found those tires to be lacking whatsoever, and that includes plenty of spirited driving (as many Forums members here can attest to) and 2) unless you’re tracking your car - in which case I would use “track-specific” tires - driving on public roads one rarely can push [beyond] the limits of a high quality tire such as the Continental all-seasons. Nor should one. Of course the most pertinent ingredient is the driver IMO.

And DJS is quite correct (yet again!) the OEM Pirellis aren’t run-flats (which generally suck anyway).

Still, 11,000 or so miles certainly sounds low!

 

As others have mentioned, typical wear lasts 9,000 to 19,000 miles. (The rears wear twice as fast as the fronts). We replaced our rear PZeros at 16,000 miles. They were worn to the cords!

OEM fronts still have sufficient tread.


Gotta look at the inside edge of the rear tires. That inside is typical of cars set up for good handling BTW. "Change the rear tires (tyres) every 3rd oil change" LOL.

 

OP - after you replace those tires you're going to want to visit an alignment shop and ask them to set it up like a Chrysler Pacifica. The factory spec alignment is aggressive and it will cook the inside tread reasonably fast.

 

11k you were lucky. i got about 8k out of my rears but about 18k out of the fronts.
Its a powerful rwd sports car so what do you expect.

 

At 15k my Pzeros were worn to the cords. Probably should have replaced them at 13k. A trip to Maine with a bunch of aggressive (but friendly) f type drivers put them to rest. Running the Michelins now. I may try one of the less expensive ones that Ftype17 recommended next time if these wear out in 15k or so.

 

No.

 

That's what I learned after a bit of research regarding premature (in my opinion) Pirelli tire wear. It made me mildly curious as to why their original equipment tires aren't covered by a treadwear warranty, but I've never delved into the rationale. Does anyone know?

 

I agree, about the same as Timbo. Also when I first get a new car, I have it aligned. Alignment from the factory can be way off, and you will trash the first set of tires and wonder why.

 

Treadwear warranties are the new snake oil:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...ext-to-useless

Most performance cars over the years have been coming with similar performance tires. When I bought an E46 M3 many (many) years ago, it was the same. The OEM tires were for performance and were basically good for about 12k miles.

 

I usually wear my tires down right to the cord. First set of MPSSs got 17k miles, but that included 3.5k of break-in babying, about 6k at 380hp and most of the balance at 425hp. The second set of MPSSs lasted only 11k at 455hp. We’ll see how long the PS4s last. (I only put 30 miles on the PZeros before I got rid of them).

 

So, Lance, what are you trying to say? Is it your position that tire wear is more affected by engine horsepower than by the pressure applied by your right foot? I wonder if that would work in front of a judge? Maybe I could use that with the wife as part of the explanation of why rear tires are a line item on the family budget every 12 months....

 

If all you do is commute in your car, buying performance tires doesn't makes sense as they don't last nearly as long. On the track performance tires are very much necessary.

Personally, I use MP4S performance tires for both commute and track and don't swap rims or pay for rim storage at the track. This saves me money even with much shorter tire life. I also benefit from increased capability (stopping, cornering, ability to put power down) as it is consistently available to me in all situations, so I don't have to re-learn it for each set of tires.

However, you have to accept that performance tires will not last you as long as economy tires even if you only commute. They are not designed to do so.

 

In my experience most tire wear happens as a result of cornering and hard braking while tires are fully warmed up. Burnouts and other types of hooning are also difficult on tires. If all you do is drive steady-state in a straight line at highway speeds, I would expect any tire to last a very long time. Kind of like my SO's Michelin Defenders, that are now about to hit best-before date without wearing down more than 50%.

 

Lance’s car goes to 11. So does he.

 

Dave nailed it on the head. Now that the car goes to 11, I certainly use it.