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"We're not pioneers because pioneers were shot in the back with arrows".
I am accused of being boring sometimes, but I don't mind being a little conservative when it comes to heavy and shiny things I spent my money on.
I am VERY curious, guardedly so, about other tuners, etc. I am planning on talking to the service guys at my dealer directly, to see if they've ever worked with anyone, or if the shop talks about tunes at all, etc....
these are from another thread, but these are all threads exposing this Cluck guy.. also had a biz called "MHP":
ANDY/MHP ..Please Read Before Dealing with him. - MBWorld.org Forums
BimmerBoost - The final nail in the MHP (Modern Horsepower / Andrew Cluck) "tuner" coffin? MHP business done? MHP M156 63 AMG "records" actually belong to another tuner
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+1. What I've really learned here is patience. Once there is a tuner with both a well established business reputation and demonstrable repeated results on the F-Type then I'll seriously consider upgrades. I'd rather be patient and even pay a bit more if I have to in order to make sure the job is done properly.
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Sounds like this guy is same type of scam artist as "XJR-0220" at X308 forum some years ago.
Sounds like this guy is same type of scam artist as "XJR-0220" at X308 forum some years ago.
However, I will be abandoning this tune as soon as soon as the crank overdrive pulley arrives. I will let my local tuner dial it in starting with the OEM tune. Objective will be to net similar results with more safety margin left in place.
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Unhingd, it seems like one of the rumors to come out of the vMax thing is that he was more of a reseller than an actual tuner in some cases. Did you work directly with him on the tune or is it possible there's some really skilled person locally that was doing the bulk of the work and just had the vMax name attached?
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Unhingd, it seems like one of the rumors to come out of the vMax thing is that he was more of a reseller than an actual tuner in some cases. Did you work directly with him on the tune or is it possible there's some really skilled person locally that was doing the bulk of the work and just had the vMax name attached?
I'd be willing to bet that he subcontracted known tuners who do quality work and are a bit more expensive for the first few forum tunes. That way, his results could be vouched for. After that, it's anyone's guess as to who did the actual work. I don't think he simply lucked into good results.
Unhingd, it seems like one of the rumors to come out of the vMax thing is that he was more of a reseller than an actual tuner in some cases. Did you work directly with him on the tune or is it possible there's some really skilled person locally that was doing the bulk of the work and just had the vMax name attached?
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Unhingd, it seems like one of the rumors to come out of the vMax thing is that he was more of a reseller than an actual tuner in some cases. Did you work directly with him on the tune or is it possible there's some really skilled person locally that was doing the bulk of the work and just had the vMax name attached?
But again, my results and responses from him have been great which seem like the exception for the group here :/
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Perhaps moderator Cambo has more info on the entire affair that he will share with everyone?
Originally Posted by Cambo;
Well i've just got off the phone with Jaron, and been in contact with a couple of other forum members who have been caught up in this mess.
I'm satisfied that what's been presented here is the truth (as bizarre as it is).
Andy / Andrew Cluck, deceived the Jaguar community by calling himself Bill Jones, started up a new "tuning" company using that name because his reputation was shot to pieces. The guy has done the same thing in the Jaguar community as he did with Mercedes, BMW, and others.
I've waited patiently for some sort of response from Bill / Andy (he knows how to reach me, we've had many discussions by email since he showed up on this forum) but so far nothing. He has however spoken on the phone to a couple of people, and admitted his deception.
I re-iterate what i said before, if you are currently owed money or a refund by Vmax, or if you have any of their equipment in your possession, please PM me as soon as possible.
I'm satisfied that what's been presented here is the truth (as bizarre as it is).
Andy / Andrew Cluck, deceived the Jaguar community by calling himself Bill Jones, started up a new "tuning" company using that name because his reputation was shot to pieces. The guy has done the same thing in the Jaguar community as he did with Mercedes, BMW, and others.
I've waited patiently for some sort of response from Bill / Andy (he knows how to reach me, we've had many discussions by email since he showed up on this forum) but so far nothing. He has however spoken on the phone to a couple of people, and admitted his deception.
I re-iterate what i said before, if you are currently owed money or a refund by Vmax, or if you have any of their equipment in your possession, please PM me as soon as possible.
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Originally Posted by JagRag
Perhaps moderator Cambo has more info on the entire affair that he will share with everyone?
Personally i'm not interested in airing dirty laundry, my only concern was if forum members were out of pocket or stuck with an immobilized vehicle, perhaps we could help each other out.
I've not heard from "Bill" since this all came to light, and so far as I know neither have the other mods or admin of this forum.
Where to from here really depends on your own circumstances and what you want to do. I'm typing this out on my phone from a remote workshop in Singapore, so writing a long speech will have to wait until I'm back in front of a computer.
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One thing I can tell the guys about your tunes is have someone look how much your knock sensors have been desensitized.
Doing this Is a way to make more horsepower but if they are being tricked by changing the voltage to much your car has no clue if your motor is hurting and will keep timing when it should be pulling it .
It will run fine well until it doesn't !!!
You guys are right about one thing when stuff like this happens it will bring out the real tuners and professional business owners who will step up and Excel.
Guys we have great cars and this place seems like a good community of people if we all help each other only good things will come of it
Doing this Is a way to make more horsepower but if they are being tricked by changing the voltage to much your car has no clue if your motor is hurting and will keep timing when it should be pulling it .
It will run fine well until it doesn't !!!
You guys are right about one thing when stuff like this happens it will bring out the real tuners and professional business owners who will step up and Excel.
Guys we have great cars and this place seems like a good community of people if we all help each other only good things will come of it
Last edited by Jaronstoys; Feb 22, 2016 at 10:33 PM.
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One thing I can tell the guys about your tunes is have someone look how much your knock sensors have been desensitized.
Doing this Is a way to make more horsepower but if they are being tricked by changing the voltage to much your car has no clue if your motor is hurting and will keep timing when it should be pulling it .
It will run fine well until it doesn't !!!
You guys are right about one thing when stuff like this happens it will bring out the real tuners and professional business owners who will step up and Excel.
Guys we have great cars and this place seems like a good community of people if we all help each other only good things will come of it
Doing this Is a way to make more horsepower but if they are being tricked by changing the voltage to much your car has no clue if your motor is hurting and will keep timing when it should be pulling it .
It will run fine well until it doesn't !!!
You guys are right about one thing when stuff like this happens it will bring out the real tuners and professional business owners who will step up and Excel.
Guys we have great cars and this place seems like a good community of people if we all help each other only good things will come of it
