And there's a difference between "NO data" and "insufficient data".

 

Your comments were that the 4S were "a lot stickier" than anything less than 300 treadwear which isn't a race tire. As mentioned, that is a bold statement with no data to support it. I'm perfectly fine with people offering their opinion on liking something over other things. i.e. I But to make a quantitative statement without any backing on a public forum is just bad form. There are a lot of tires between the 200 and 300 tread rating (under 200 are considered track purpose by most NA racing sanctions). Some of those are extremely grippy in the dry (not so much in the wet). Stating the 4S is stickier than all of those tires is just grossly false unless you are qualifying that statement within a certain condition. As I said before, the 4S is a great tire "all around" tire. No question. But let's not make up claims that have nothing to support it.

 

I like that on the jaguar forums, even flame wars seem somehow more civilized.

 

Well, as one that tried at least 8 different tire sets on the F-Type, who races the car and that does it very successfully I will tell you that Nitto Motivo and Conti DWS are by far the best all weather tires. I like the Pirelli P-Zero but that is based on my personal driving style and expectations. When it comes to track use I don't use Pirelli nor Michelin because they don't grip as well. In a few weeks my car will get "cold weather tires", they are the Conti DWS, not Nitto just because Conti is a sponsor so my cost is minimal.

Do not put a lot of stock in UTOQ ratings, the wear index is set by each individual company to compare their OWN tires. a 300 from Pirelli is likely not equal to the one used my Michelin. Many manufacturers make grippy tires that would not truly be a 300, but in order to market it to buyers that would worry about fast wear, they adjust their internal scale.

With that said, my PZero on my AWD lasted 3000mi in the rear and 5-6K in the front.

Unless you need an all weather tire, The Michelin and Pirelli are similar. The Michelin has higher initial grip, the Pirelli is more predictable. If you like throwing the car around, Pirelli is best. If you want to push the car to the limit before sliding, the Michelin is best. The Michelin, is less controllable when it lets go.

Poor tires:
Firestone Indy 500 (good launch grip- nothing else)
Conti ForceContact - Great dry track tire, quick wear and poor in rain
Potenza S04 PP - Good on dry track, horrible in the rain

Good tire worth mentioning
Conti ExtremeContact Sport - great tire, sits between the Pirelli and Michelin (and it has wear warranty)

 

Unhinged, sorry to disagree, but your Michelin are far less grippy than the Falken FK510... both are TW300, on wet road the FK510 is even better. Just one tire worth mentioning.
I will say that the FK510 wears quickly, but I couldn't care less because they are GLUE for the F-Type.
The only time that they disappointed me was when they picked up sand from a track and retained for a while. The Pirelli is better at that.

 

 

Aawwww shucks... 😶

I'm in Socal, so the weather pretty much allows top down driving year round 😎

The only Nittos I've autocrossed on were the NeoGens. Also all season tires. But worked much better than the Kumho Ecstas that I swapped out, even in warm weather.

Currently the Jag is equipped with stock 20 inch blade wheels.

Dave
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I just replaced the FK510 with the PS4S. I can confirm that the FK510 is grippy and works surprisingly well on track. What pressures do you run? The issue I had with them is the tread splice started tearing.