Ah yes, steam. Those were the days! Unfortunately, steam did not really take off in automobiles. It was difficult to carry the fuel - not to mention shovelling it while driving without a passenger.

I would suggest that perhaps "all that counts is performance" may not apply to everyone. After all, not everyone bought a V8 powered F-Type and old E-Types are in demand. I'm sure that if a Ford Model-T came up for sale then there would be many buyers.

One problem with modern cars has to do with all the computers. That can potentially limit their longevity. The availability of gasoline may also limit longevity. I am becoming an old man!

 

We are apparently Socialists here in Canada. Taxes are climbing and we have the Canada Health Act that provides healthcare. There are generations of people on public assistance. We were recently experimenting with a Universal Basic Income. We have homeless people here in Canada but for many it is a choice - the homeless are mostly in the large cities like Toronto. I love in a city with 385,000 souls and we do not have a homeless population. Perhaps our illustrious PM Justin Trudeau will change that.

I do like my V8 engines. I will have to adjust. I realize that the days of larger engines is limited. Environmental factors and emission standards play into it. I will never sell my F-Type. I will replace the RRS at some stage and will obviously have to get whatever is available.

 

I suspect that you are right Kim. I hope that I can make our present cars last for our driving lifetimes. No manufacturer seems to offer anything which appeals to the extent of "That's what I'm saving the pensions for next.".
Over the years I've tried most things, including some which I couldn't really afford; in the past couple of decades, everything apart from Jaguar has proved disappointing. I feel that I am too old to look "right" in an F-type, although subframe corrosion aside, I like them, and anyway really want more than two seats, if I wanted a van, I'd buy a Ford Transit, not an SUV, I don't like turbochargers, nor exploding engines and gearboxes as provided by the Germans, and Jaguar no longer offer V8 saloons in Britain.
Perhaps I should get the bus pass which I have been entitled to for the past eight years. :-((

 

I think the I6-hybrid will still present drama. Maybe not 1:1 with a V8, but I expect you to be pleasantly surprised. Like a lot of members decleared about the P300.
It is only a 4 cylinder, but its got character still. I expect the I6-hybrid to be a charm on its own, giving the choice between drama and silence..

 

No it will sound **** just like the P300, that for me is an instant not interested.

P300, Tesla, i6 TT I am sorry but such platforms have zero interest for me.

I don't mind the V6 SC because its still a great sounding engine and still has SC whine, but the V8 is in a league of its own noise wise and I suspect is half the reason why many owners purchased a V8 was simply for the noise and the instantaneous throttle response.

if all we wanted was performance and efficiency, we'd all have gone and purchased Tesla's but I'd not buy a Tesla not ever, I want emotion, character, drama, presence, sense of occasion and a V8 really delivers.

Little bit like an Ecoboost Mustang, you only buy the Ecoboost if you can't afford to buy or run the V8, because its the V8 everyone wants, even though it does not handle as well, you still want the V8 for that sound track.

Look at Porsche values, the NA flat 6 Carrera's, Boxsters and Caymans are moving up in value because the new faster ones that are better in every way, except one, they sound totally **** in comparison to thew old ones, as such the NA models are now going up in value.

Don't matter how fast they get, sports car for me is all about the sound track.

 

My son has a 5.0 "Stang GT with an after market exhaust system that rocks the entire neighborhood when he drives through. As an old muscle car enthusiast it makes the hair on my neck stand up when he opens that beast up. As an aside, I also drove it for him when he moved recently, and it was really quite comfortable in all the conditions I encountered for about 400 miles.

 

You're right.. ..for about 5secs. But after that they all sound the same ! The conditions under which it has this growl is always.. ..brief..

Don't try to lie to us that you '.. enjoy it all the time..' , as it plain impossible ! Only when you accelerate you get a growl.. In everyday driving you just can't tell the difference ;
I drove a V8 for 3 hours, highways, open roads, traffic. All of it.

Yeah, you '..drive it all the time..' so you know better. You think. But just count the seconds you enjoy more on your commute. Start it : inside the garage or you'll wake the whole neighbourhood..
Pull away ; slowly for the same reason.. .. you can drive 5 mins untill you hit traffic and from then on its only the ocasional trafiic light run. No more...

Only these few seconds you can have more fun then with a P300. And that in the context of paying € 200.000,- for the further identical car against € 78.000 for the P300 just isn't worth it.

So yes : if you can choose V8/V6/I4 and the prices vary 20-30% only for a the kit, fine. Running a V8 against a I4 will not kill you either. But the € 122.000,- for an occasional growl, just isn't worth it.

In europe older diesels are banned from main cities. New exhaust rules demand a PDF for petrol cars, soon they won't allow you into any city anymore if you put out more then 80 grams CO2 or something.

Your V8's will be worthless as you can not drive them anywhere. Compare it to smoking ; banned on the street in New York, soon banned in your own home.

Not my idea or something I wish for, but reality to come, all over the place.

The I6 and I4 hybrids will surely be able to produce a sound. Maybe not like a V8. But the hybrid part allows them to put out less then 50gr or even 20gr , all electric in the cities ; this is the future, nothing to stop it.

To use your vocabulary : this **** will certainly happen..

Enjoy while it lasts.. ..every few seconds of it..

 

The F-Type is a bit of a waste in the city anyway. Out in the twisties, the sound is always a factor , both accelerating and decelerating.

 

Ahh, well. My original E type, both the MkII's, all my XJ 6's had the straight 6's and BOY could they pull! Lots of torque, glorious exhaust note in the E, with the pipes that our F's mimic. And I'm especially pleased to report that there is no replacement for V8 displacement. It will just be a different vehicle, and I agree with Gibbo205 that my FTR will be admired and appreciating.
Doc

 

So the bottom line will be : fine for your collection of old cars to start ocasionally, or to trailer from your suburbia home to an area you will be allowed to drive then..

There are thousands of collecter Ferrari's ,Lambo's, what have you. These will be WORTHLESS once you can not drive them anymore anywhere.

Imagine when ICE are not mainstream anymore. You have to order a Jerrycan online with Amazon at USD200 a liter... .. no more petrol stations..

Dream on, while it lasts...

 

I believe you are forgetting, at least for here in the U.S., the monumental political clout of the major oil companies. Gasoline ain't going extinct any time soon. I'll be extinct before then.

 

You have a valid point there. Unless Trump is out and democrats are back in.. ..they will hype the green agenda and kill-off oil like they did coal..

It will only take 5 - 10 years, believe me..

I think that I will still see in my lifetime [ now 56..] that cars will be full electric and charged by a laser ray or proton beam from an 'filling station' along the highway...
You park under it and there's a lense or port on top of the roof where it feeds into...

 

Even the democrats rely on big oil for their campaign funds.

Kind of like living under high tension wires...everyone will get brain tumors...
AND...don't get me started on the Russians hacking into the data upload from my Sleep Number mattress!

 

I am not sure about the v6 or the I4, but my exhaust note does not sound anything like the other cars even while cruising. I.E. it always has this deep rumble coming through even when I am cruising. Plus, the slightest of my right foot twitch brings back insanity. I just feel weird driving other cars now. I need that sound at all times.

 

This I did not hear any louder grumble in the V8-coupe in normal traffic .. Maybe because I had the windows closed.. .. Maybe I'm getting deaf.. .. but I do hear the exhaust notes of my P300.. .. puzzles me..

 

If the only way to have fun was horsepower, no one would buy a Miata, yet more than a million have been sold and they have a tremendous following.

That said, I agree with the above comments about sound being part of the experience. That's why I keep going on about the abomination that is the Symposer, and part of the reason I still have my 748. A desmo V-Twin singing a lusty song through Termignonis at 10K rpm is a joy to hear, even if it lacks the power of more modern bikes.

I also agree that the I6 in the E-Type sounds quite good. Not sure about the speculation on the demise of the F-Type, but it's certainly possible.

 

My V8 is always rumbling.

Idle you can hear it rumbling, give the throttle a little rev and its like thunder.
Even accelerate gently and it starts to roar, once it is over 3000rpm even at light throttle it roards.
Lift off the throttle and it pops, gargles and bangs.
Change gear and it farts, gurgles, burps, bangs or pops, always something different.

I drive mine every day and every day its roaring and waking up the neighbourhood, I owned a V8 Mustang before my SVR also with a loud exhaust fitted and my SVR is just as loud and always rumbling and making a great sound track.
I've driven the V6 S and it also makes a noise under light throttle, the typical nice V6 noise and on the V6 the pops are even louder if anything than the V8. The issue for me with the V6S is it felt slow to me and the engine response was lacking due to lack of torque.
When I drove a P300 I found it sounded totally woeful, kind of like a hoover sucking at full throttle and at idle, light throttle or medium throttle it was very quiet, yes it made pops but again they kind of sounded weak, what I will say is the P300 did have a very direct turn in and felt light, because it is, but the car was not making me smile, it simply had no occasion or fun factor for me, but as I said I like a big shouty noisy engine. My other car is an E46 M3 CSL with the legendary S54 which revs to 8000rpm and my car before was a V8 Mustang.

So for me I hear the noise every day and here in the UK we shall still be driving petrol power cars like crazy mad people everywhere, we have the roads to do so and we simply won't allow the government to enforce such a rule.
You know here in the UK we can still get 4 star petrol so we can still drive our old classic cars and were allowed to do so on public roads.

The UK has around 50 circuits to race on, several drag strips, like the USA motorsport is huge in the UK and just like the USA the gas powered vehicle is certainly here to stay, yes more electric and hybrid will appear but they won't be replacing the gas powered cars in the short term.

 

OK, so its an SVR, possibly with an extra loud exhaust.. That I did not drive, so I can not have an opinion on it.

You allow the government to put speedcamera's every 2 miles and limit speed at ridiculously low values, and put horrendous fines on the tiniest overspeed.... You think you have the power to stop them ?

They will rule out ICE cars, simply by raising the fuel prices to 20 x whats it now, and allowing electric cars to do 80mph where ICE's can do only 60mph, because they can...

Don't forget : you live on an island...

But I on the other hand, can be in 40 minutes in Germany and go warpspeed on the Autobahn...

Even here, between 19h-06h I can do 136kmh on almost all highways without getting any fine.. At 155 the fine is € 144,- , not 2 weeks income...

Believe me, I feel silly slowing down from 136 to 104 [ fine limit at 100kmh stretch] and still have the spoiler up...

I would feel really embarressed with a fixed spoiler in an SVR and a speeding KIA overtaking me.. .. at 104kmh..

 

Our cars start cracking and popping below 3000rpm. I have found it to start at around 2300. Anything above 2300 and the noise just begins. The crackles and pops are not as sharp as once you go above 3000. Oh and the downshifts on any range (even lower RPMs) are just perfect. Its like getting hit with a bass guitar. Super deep and punchy

 

Brush-up your Norsk ( or use google translate ) , in Norway it can be more expensive to charge your Tesla then fill your fuel tank... .. so there is hope, Gibbo205...