TOPIx says 2000 was 5 SPD GETRAG-221

 

One in LA/Pasadena for $6775 it's a Manuel, made in Mexico??
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...206666514.html

 

That's cheap for year and miles, but I suppose the 5-speed is a big drawback in selling it... Car doesn't look to have any "Manuel" accessories installed.

Take care,

George

 

Re. the poster's question, a stick-shift S-type would almost certainly sell easier and fetch more than the autobox, at least in UK. A lot of people dislike automatics here, although I'm not one of them. Main question -- is the clutch heavy? If it is, it can get quite tiring in traffic, that's why I prefer the autobox.
Leedsman.

 

Not in the United States my friend.

The vast majority of our cars have autoboxes as you call them. Especially in upscale family type sedans.

Manual Transmissions are usually relegated to cheap econoboxes, or Performance Oriented / Sports Cars.

The vast majority of USA Market Jaguar owners / drivers would have no interest in a manual. Hence why they sold so poorly and were so quickly dropped from the lineup here.

Take care,

George

 

Manual S-Types were available in the UK in 3.0 V6 with a 5 speed getrag box right from the launch in the UK right up until the end of production, and also with a 2.5 V6 and the same manual box from the first facelift until the 2nd facelift. The 2.7 diesel was available from launch with a 6 speed ZF manual. Neither of the V8s ever had a manual option.

Manual petrol S-Types are few and far between even in the UK, and tend to go for less than automatics. Other than poverty spec diesel X-Types nobody here wants a manual Jaguar either. It doesn't help that the 5 speed box was never really all that good, being rather ponderous and with a heavy clutch. It got a fair bit of criticism at launch. Many are fitted to sad looking cars with cloth seats in base spec.

You do see a fair few manual diesels, but again it's not a particularly enjoyable box to use and from my experience the car works much, much better as an automatic. It should make for a very reliable car though, as almost all the problems with the diesels (and in fact all the cars with the ZF6HP26) seem to be gearbox related!


Dave

 

I have an 03 with manual transmission and having a background driving old triumphs, mg,s and a 67 e type, it is refreshing to have a luxury sedan but still have the manual. Driving is fun again.

 

The US Market is substantially different.

First, these "base" spec diesel cars do not exist here. Jaguar (and most other luxury car makers) do not bring their stripped down, cloth seat base models to the USA market.

Diesels have JUST started to make an appearance with Mercedes' introduction of the bluetec engine line, but other than that they have long been considered truck and farm equipment engines stateside.

In the US the "Base" S-Type was a 3.0 petrol engine. Leather, power seats, windows, locks, remote trunk release, power moonroof, keyless entry etc.

Same with the X-Type, except it's base was the 2.5l petrol engine.

We have seen NO diesel Jaguars Stateside.

Having both an X and and S-Type. I think a 3.0 manual X-Type might be fun to drive, but I don't think I would go for the manual in the S-Type. Just personal preference I suppose.

Interestingly enough, here stateside, there have been very few reported problems or failures with the zf6hp26 autobox, other than the electrical connector sleeve leak, which is a relatively easy fix.

The cooling systems seem to be the achilles heel of these cars.

Take care,

George

 

Some interesting comments here. I have had both an X-type and currently an S-type, both manuals. My observations are as follows:

The 2.5 X type runs about as well as the 3.0 automatic, with better mileage (we averaged about 27-28 mpg highway). However, the clutch is very light and dead feeling. I always felt that the car was hard to drive smoothly, and nearly impossible to achive a clean, fast 1-2 shift. The shifter itself is fine, it seems to be a combination of the dead clutch and throttle response that makes it tricky to drive smoothly. At least the clutch lasted 170,000 miles.

The S type, on the other hand, just has a great feel. Both the clutch and the shifter have a certain heft, not overly heavy but just substantial. The clutch takeup is progressive and easy to modulate, and the shifter reminds me of the best of 60s sports cars. Just for the record, a 3.0 manual S-type is plenty quick. The road tests I've seen say 0-60 in about 7.2 seconds, top speed of 130. On my crowded roads in Ohio, that's about all I can use.

 

Nice - how does it perform on the highway? How many RPM's at 70 mph in fifth? How is it on gas?

 

Just popped my head in here as I was looking for info on mating the Jag V8 up to the manual box in the S-type and a few posts here seem to suggest that it bolts right up with just ecu issues to sort. Is this true?

And I assume that's the petrol V6 not the diesel one? And does anyone know how much poke the petrol V6 box can take?

A lot of the UK autobox problems have been associated with the 'sealed for life' line sold used to sell cars to company fleets, so the boxes never have their oil changed by someone religiously following the UK service regime. Unfortunately a lot of the S-types would have started out as company cars.

 

Welcome to the world of transverse mount v/s conventional mount motors.

With the X-Type, the shifter is a complex assembly of linkages, with the S-Type, it's sticking directly into the trans.

The clutch is another issue, but that's probably due to the different transmission used.

A 2.5 X-Type auto is a dog, I have one.

The 3.0 auto S-Type is adequate, not quick, but not painfully slow either..

I think the manual S 3.0 would put it somewhere between the 3.0 and 4.2 n/a.

The thing when driving a stick, all the interaction envelops you more in the driving experience, and it sort of seems like any car feels faster when you're driving a stick. Even with the ZF's sport mode that will hold every gear to redline if that's what you want it to do.

Take care,

George

 

Who knows.. Since the 5 speed never saw anything more powerful than the 3.0, I would think the 4.2 would "tear it up"..

Since the same ZF6hp26 is used in a diesel / auto car I would have to assume that the diesel 6 speed manual would be just as good as a fit..With the same issues regarding electronics.. With the greater torque of a diesel, I would also think the 6 speed would hold up better attached to a V8 than the 5 speed...

 

I agree a diesel 6 speed would be more likely able to handle the torque from the V8 but the gearing might be interesting. Most of the modern diesels I've driven have had very short 1st gears to get over turbo lag when pulling away and make them seem quick off the mark. I'm not sure how well that would work on a big V8.

The diesel has a book torque of 320lb ft @ 1900rpm. The 4.2 V8 has 310 @ 4100rpm. So it should hold it no trouble for an NA V8 and might handle the supercharged R engine too. Looking at the RPM differences it might be ok off the line too.

 

I'e had my S type for about 6 months now. The only long trip I have taken was Dayton, Ohio to Hilton Head, SC and back at Christmas. Driving about 75mph over the mountains, in cold weather, it got 26-28 mpg. In warm weather, with the cruise set at 70, it might just about get 30 mpg.

At 70 mph indicated, the tach is showing 2750 rpm.

 

Interesting subject.
I have a Manual 2.5 V6 S-type and have found it a great car.
People say the clutch is heavy, but I don't think it is all that bad. Firm to use? Yes, but it suits the weight of the car as such.
Not all that many in the UK, but when the S-type was first introduced manual boxes were and still are popular, so a manual version for the V6's was included in the specification.
When I decided to buy an S, I had a long search in finding one to the spec I wanted,(not very keen on auto's) and eventually found one in Glasgow only 30 miles from home. It has been a great car and I hope to keep it for sometime to come.
It is a 2005 facelift, finished in Zircon Blue with Mocha and Champagne interior
Some pictures of my S-type.

 

Folks,
I just purchased a 2003 S-Type with 5-speed manual transmission. I truly lucked out with this rare bird. I will take delivery today, in the LA metro area. I will opine on the clutch in a subsequent response.
Feel free to check out the photos on my album here!

Cheers,
Shamoon