Accident!! Near Slid!!!!
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Hey Jason.........re the clutch and sitting in first gear etc at stop lights and in traffic. Its all a matter of style and or experience mate.
I've driven around 900,000 miles in the last 16 - 17 years and its always kept me safe n ready to rock n roll at the first sign of trouble. My Peugeot 309 from brand new did 140,000 miles before it needed a new clutch.
Most of my Mondeos went back with 150,000 - 160,000 miles on them and never had a clutch replaced on them.
Then again, I've always driven a manual and know what I'm about so thats that.
I cant understand people needing replacement clutches at 40,000 miles or therabouts either.....gotta be down to driver use I'd guess.
Jim
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Actual jason I have to disagree with you on the not staying in first gear at a stop...trust me first hand THAT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE! Much like adjusting your driving to conditions could save your life. Driving a car with a clutch like its a racecar would blow the clutch before keeping it depressed would at a light...IMO!
Oh and I'm self taught on the clutch...figure common sense taught me...
Oh and I'm self taught on the clutch...figure common sense taught me...
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Okay, my 2 cents on the 1st gear thing? When I stop in a line of traffic, I've left room and planned an escape path before coming to a stop. Year round, why does season matter? Be it car or motorcycle, I can remember 3 times that has saved my *** when someone wouldn't have stopped in time. BTW, that only works if you're sharp enough towatch your mirrors and NOT the traffic light.
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Yes I will keep it in first gear. Just because a car is in front of you doesn't mean you can't do anything? You just took driver's training....thats the reason they tell you to stop to where you are able to see the tires of the car in front of you touching the pavement...this is a safe distance not only so if you do get rear ended you don't hit them in front of you but you have a path whether that car in front of you becomes disabled (stops running and they can't move it or any other situation that would warrant a response from you) or must make a split section reaction to a situation happening. I pay attention to people behind me and the other thing you learned at driver's ed was that you should create situations that could happen on the road and what you'd do if those possible situations happened in real life.
I'm a seasoned enough driver that I don't need to pay attention to the light when its going to turn green I have a general sense of what every light is going to do while approaching so paying attention to what is going around me is very important especially from the rear. I used to drive commercial boom trucks and knowing what the lights do is vital to driving with loads on the truck. Its fun shifting semi's but it can get old and especially when you have the truck loaded nearly to capacity so shifting is also something you try to stay away from as well as the acceleration is dismal. Although the new mercedes engines we were getting in the newer trucks had wayyy more power than the cat's we were getting...
I'm a seasoned enough driver that I don't need to pay attention to the light when its going to turn green I have a general sense of what every light is going to do while approaching so paying attention to what is going around me is very important especially from the rear. I used to drive commercial boom trucks and knowing what the lights do is vital to driving with loads on the truck. Its fun shifting semi's but it can get old and especially when you have the truck loaded nearly to capacity so shifting is also something you try to stay away from as well as the acceleration is dismal. Although the new mercedes engines we were getting in the newer trucks had wayyy more power than the cat's we were getting...
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Let me start by saying this... Jason, I know that at your age you thing you know everything, specially because we think that everything that daddy taught us is correct, but sometimes I would take the advice that these old farts give us.
Second, Quil...we all know you didn't really pay attention in drivers ed, and much less actually remember it. LOL
Ahhh yes, and as for the 1st gear thing, I put it into neutral when I'm at a stop light, and also as I approach a stop sign and put it in first only after I've come to a complete stop. I guess it's the way I do things and I've only replaced the clutch on the Nissan once and I do high rev launches all the time, I'm always racing and I run it hard ALL THE TIME. But that's me, therefore just my opinion.
Second, Quil...we all know you didn't really pay attention in drivers ed, and much less actually remember it. LOL
Ahhh yes, and as for the 1st gear thing, I put it into neutral when I'm at a stop light, and also as I approach a stop sign and put it in first only after I've come to a complete stop. I guess it's the way I do things and I've only replaced the clutch on the Nissan once and I do high rev launches all the time, I'm always racing and I run it hard ALL THE TIME. But that's me, therefore just my opinion.
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Jim thats my point, I never said snow tires dont help or anything, I all I said its a waste of money to me. Look for the past week it hasnt snowed its been dry all week on the road, and people using snow tires now. What use would I have for them. I just hate when people respond like an ***. Also another thing people having their first gear engaged even in the winter isnt the smartest thing. If 2nd 3rd 4th etc out of the traffic and you see this guy not stopping are you gonna run into the guy in front of you??????? Also as no one responded to my question, where do people stay with their first gear engaged???? People change their clutch at 40k miles and wonder what they did wrong.
Jim thats my point, I never said snow tires dont help or anything, I all I said its a waste of money to me. Look for the past week it hasnt snowed its been dry all week on the road, and people using snow tires now. What use would I have for them. I just hate when people respond like an ***. Also another thing people having their first gear engaged even in the winter isnt the smartest thing. If 2nd 3rd 4th etc out of the traffic and you see this guy not stopping are you gonna run into the guy in front of you??????? Also as no one responded to my question, where do people stay with their first gear engaged???? People change their clutch at 40k miles and wonder what they did wrong.
Keep in mind that untill you crash, you dont need even all season, you dont need any tread at all.. if you drive on slicks you can adjust your driving for the conditions. maybe even stay at home some days. The reason you get snow tires is to have the extra traction when you dont expect it. The whole point is to avoid an accident.
There is no question that using winter tires saves money in the long run. for the same level of quality, snow tires are always less than the equivalent summer or all season tires. the most expensive summer rubber is more than the most expensive winter rubber, same for the least expensive.
geeze you guys are really hard headed about this one. It is a question of pay now or pay later. It is shortsighted to think that winter tires are expenive.
Now also there is a major pain in the but factor when the roads are clogged with all season drivers during a snow storm, everyone must adapt to the traction of the worst equipped car. It is totally wrong to be out there driving so slowly and causing a traffic jam because you think your all seasons are "good enough" The cost to society is HUGE.
Now for the CLUTCH.
If you ride the release bearing it will fail before the rest of the clutch. Driving training would tell you keep your foot off the clutch as much as is practicle.
if you are in the middle of a manoeuvre, go a head and stay in first, it makes logical and safe sense. If you are at a crossroads and waiting for a chance to merge, go ahead again.
But if you are waiting at a red light with cars stopped all around you, it is not necessary or logical to stay in first.
You will eventually kill the release bearing.
Just use common sense. is that so hard?
If you are alone at a red light and you have a fear of someone coming out of nowhere and risking something.. well I say pay the hell attention to the world around you. It takes a second to get into gear and get rolling, you should be well aware of all dangers around you that are a second away from you. watch your mirrors, and beside you, when a car approaches in a way that makes you nervous,,, then you can get into gear if you think it helps.
But the engineering fact of all this is that the clutch and release bearing eventually wear out. it is driver influencable.
If you use basic logic and common sense, and minimise the cluch wear... You will have more than enough money saved to buy winter tires!!
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Whatever...agree to disagree because actually my deductible and all season tires are still cheaper than winter tires...next
Your clutch is going to go out anyways...My escape has over 100k miles and I will always leave it in first gear! In my escape it takes more than ONE SECOND to get it into gear. Once the clutch decides I can put the car into first it would have been too late for me to move...bet hey its just like your argument a clutch replaced would be cheaper than getting rear ended would it not? I bet that could be argued into your favor as well? Is it worth that 1 second or not? Bet I gotcha thinking don't I?
Your clutch is going to go out anyways...My escape has over 100k miles and I will always leave it in first gear! In my escape it takes more than ONE SECOND to get it into gear. Once the clutch decides I can put the car into first it would have been too late for me to move...bet hey its just like your argument a clutch replaced would be cheaper than getting rear ended would it not? I bet that could be argued into your favor as well? Is it worth that 1 second or not? Bet I gotcha thinking don't I?
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you are getting forgettfull or something man..I addressed the deductable earlier.... you are being dumb man.. the cost is the cost.. you cant hide from it. Time will tell.
it is amazing that attitude about the clutchis going to go anyway...? i am specifically talking about the release bearing.
I can easily move out of the way from anything that appears from the distance..if you cant see cars approachingwithout several seconds of warning.. then you should really not be stopped wherever you are. get out of thatunsafe spot.
Like I said.. use common sense.. not dumb arguements and you willbe fine.
it is amazing that attitude about the clutchis going to go anyway...? i am specifically talking about the release bearing.
I can easily move out of the way from anything that appears from the distance..if you cant see cars approachingwithout several seconds of warning.. then you should really not be stopped wherever you are. get out of thatunsafe spot.
Like I said.. use common sense.. not dumb arguements and you willbe fine.
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Bojangles seems to make the most sense, though I will probably never buy winter tires, lol.
My manual days were many, and I was trained to use the clutch to get in and out of gear. Of course, I would keep it engaged if I were unsure of something happening around me, but generally I was either in gear, or not. Riding the clutch will shorten the life of the clutch and/or release bearing, as Bojangles said. In short, as he says, use common sense. A rule of sitting in 1st at every stop light seems like needlessly removing judgement from the equation. Just a thought.
My manual days were many, and I was trained to use the clutch to get in and out of gear. Of course, I would keep it engaged if I were unsure of something happening around me, but generally I was either in gear, or not. Riding the clutch will shorten the life of the clutch and/or release bearing, as Bojangles said. In short, as he says, use common sense. A rule of sitting in 1st at every stop light seems like needlessly removing judgement from the equation. Just a thought.
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Hey bo how do people in canada stop behind you? Half the time not just here in the us its hard to tell if someone is going to stop behind you when they generally wait til the last possible second to do so...
My deductible is cheaper or less expensive than buying a set of tires I'd have to take off and put others back on...not to mention the cost of having them removed and put back on...
snow tires will not be in my future...BTW release bearing still intact!
My deductible is cheaper or less expensive than buying a set of tires I'd have to take off and put others back on...not to mention the cost of having them removed and put back on...
snow tires will not be in my future...BTW release bearing still intact!