Originally Posted by badplan1

Firstly I never read Consumer Reports. Number one reason is due to the fact that all/ most the results are skewed by cash influences. It's not a reliable source of information in my opinion.

Secondly, you have to take into consideration the number of consumers who use these vechicles. That being said, with Jaguar previously having 3 models in their line up and, now having 2, the results are going to vary compared to car companies who have multiple car lines and sell 4X or more the quantities that Jaguar does.

Aluni, with purchasing most cars, design and style come into play, not just a Jaguar. Since your referring to me obviously, just can't say you are, I purchased my X-type because not for prestige by any means. I bought this car because I have a friend who works at a dealership and was able to give me a decent deal on it. I also partly purchased it because after having driven a mitsu for the past year and half, I wanted to go back to something with more luxury like I had with my I35. That being said, at 20 Years old, I'm not fortunate enough yet to be able to purchase these cars brand new as say you who's probably around 40 or so. but at my age, I bet I have/had better cars than anyone else at my age.

With this being said, this concludes my participation in this thread. The original point and post having been so maliciously skewed that its not even funny. Furthermore, the way other forum members have approached this situation, throwing random insults and, non- factual information in or, opinions they are stating as facts with out backing has become redundant.
For those of you who fail to see that, there are indeed better cars out there than I do take pity on you.

Good Day

Originally Posted by Brutal

Since when does consumer reports have cash influences. They dont accept any advertising, donations etc...buy everything off the shelf to test and are purely paid from readership, annuities, and money left in wills etc...
I have subscribed and used consumer reports for a couple decades and see where they go for moeny, you can buy annuities and leave them in your will, raffles for cars etc....all to pay for their "unbiased" testing
now if youde have said that about jd powers well that i would believe

Originally Posted by benebob

Owned by a Mercedes owner? You must open the garage door before you start your dirty diesel burning hitlermobile. I know it takes a bit before the glow plugs warm up things enough and its cold out.

Fact, Jaguar DESIGNS cars, Mercedes engineers them. There is a huge difference. If engineers ruled the world it would be a boring, ugly (though functional) place. At least like you said you wouldn't fall asleep driving a boring, ugly car since it wakes you up after it puts you to sleep. I still prefer driving a car that I enjoy driving enough to stay awake doing so. Even Mercedes doesn't build a seat as comfortable as my bed. To each his/her own. I simply prefer giving up some fine engineering for some style. Maybe its because I have to deal with engineers all day long or maybe I just am tired of a world of econoboxes build by engineers.

I guess you're just one of those brainwashed Mercedes fans who just hasn't seen the light. There is always hope. I'll pray for ya to the automotive gods.

Originally Posted by Adam Lueb

You said it in one sentence Jaguar designs cars Mercedes engineers cars. Big difference. Design does not equate to engineering

Originally Posted by benebob

That's where your wrong. Engineering does not equate to design. Personally, I'd rather be stuck by the side of the road in something that was designed then driving something which looks like the tow truck I'm waiting to be picked up by. Lifes too short to drive boring cars. Obviously I'm an odd bird who prefers to ride my motorcikle provided the temp is above 15 degrees and there wasn't any precipitation the previous night.

Originally Posted by benebob

Oh and British cars shed unneeded parts in an attempt to keep the weight down. I need to use more thread locker on my TVR then any motorcycle I ever bought, otherwise the bolts simply rattle themselves out.

Originally Posted by Adam Lueb

I disagree with U 100%. A car has to be engineered first before it can be designed. Engineering keeps the car going day by day. Design doesn't.

Originally Posted by TheSeeker

I have a sticker on my '69 Triumph TR-6 that says: "The parts falling off of this car are of the highest quality British origin"

Originally Posted by TheSeeker

I once owned a TVR...well, kind of. It was actually a '66 Griffith 400. That car was a BEAST...quicker than snot! Unfortunately, it ping-ponged from one guard rail to the other several times on an icy bridge and the fiberglass disintegrated.

It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.

Originally Posted by TheSeeker

I'll bet if the hubs hadn't spun, I would have had a blown differential instead.

Originally Posted by Adam Lueb

I disagree with U 100%. A car has to be engineered first before it can be designed. Engineering keeps the car going day by day. Design doesn't.

Originally Posted by TheSeeker

I have a sticker on my '69 Triumph TR-6 that says: "The parts falling off of this car are of the highest quality British origin"

Originally Posted by TheSeeker

I once owned a TVR...well, kind of. It was actually a '66 Griffith 400. That car was a BEAST...quicker than snot! Unfortunately, it ping-ponged from one guard rail to the other several times on an icy bridge and the fiberglass disintegrated.

It was about as close to a kit car as any production car I've ever seen. I once dumped the clutch so hard on it that I spun the splined hub shafts inside the Dunlop wire wheels.