New to the forum. I'm located in the Bay Area of CA and I just bought a 5.0 2015 XFR. I have the Mina intake and the Eurocharge stage 2 tune and pulley on the way. About to order the full exhaust set up from Ardent...headers, x-pipe, and their mufflers. I'm going to have the headers ceramic coated. I'm reading a lot about heat soak with the supercharged V8's so I'd like to do the upgraded Bosch 010 water pump and/or a Killer Chiller intercooler system to prevent it. Has anyone done a Bosch 010 upgrade or know if it will fit in my year? If so, any link to the parts I will need? Is the Bosch 010 upgrade typically done instead of the Killer Chiller upgrade or would both be ideal? Thanks for the help.

 

Hey - Bay Area here also. The 010 pump is pretty universal and given that the intercooler hasn't changed over the years with the 5.0 I don't think you'll have any problems fitting it to a 2015.

I've just rebuilt my engine but I'm considering the headers and mufflers (I already have an X-Pipe) as I'm worried my Mina mufflers are a bit loud for my neighbors late at night!

Currently unsure about the Killer Chiller, I'd be interested if anyone else has run one on this engine.

 

I'll order the pump now. I'm searching for an install post for the new pump now and thanks.

 

@Bigg Will did a great guide on this including the Mercedes part numbers for the spade terminals to connect to it. You should be able to find it if you look for posts started by him

 

Yep I found it. Looks easy and ended up reading your rebuild post too ha. Good post and thanks!

 

I would look into install bigger heat exchanger in the front and replacing the small ones. I am looking into it now. I got a 11 gt500 heat exchanger at home I am going to try to get to fit.

 

Is there a company making bigger heat exchangers for the XFR specifically that you know of?

 

Inspired by another member recently adding a heat exchanger to his F-Type, I just bought a universal aluminium intercooler off ebay which I'm hoping to install this weekend. As long as the size is right and you can figure out a way to bolt it on, I think any old unit will work, it needn't have to be specifically made for the car.

 

paramount_performance makes one but its really expensive for what it is, they can sell it for that price because there is no competition. I believe eurotoys sells the paramount one as well. You can also add an inline heat exchanger with stock on one, there is a lot of room up front.

 

let me know how this goes.

 

Paramount and Europcharger both sell an all aluminum upgraded heat exchanger for the XF, it's over a grand though. And as far as I know the 010 pump will work on all XF SC 5.0's

 

That heat exchanger can be had for a lot less than a grand if you just go to the source. It's advertised as for the F-Type but basically just fits all the 5.0 cars (XF,XK,XJ,F-Type) as the cars all use the same OEM part:

https://www.allisport.com/shop/perfo...oler-radiator/

Take advantage of Brexit and a rapidly-declining pound against the dollar lol

 

I just order the Killer Chiller set up and their 12"x3" cylinder coolant reservoir so won't need the larger heat exchanger but thx for input. Spent about an hour on the phone with the owner. Two points he stressed, make sure to run extra fluid line or a reservoir to have at least 1 gallon of coolant in the system, preferably 2 gallons, and the second point, make sure to bypass the stock heat exchanger. By not using the stock heat exchanger you wont have the 15 degree interior cabin temperature loss when running the AC. He said the AC temperature loss is because the heat exchanger was not bypassed during the install. The stock heat exchanger is working against the KC system. Even though it takes less than 10 HP to run the KC set up, the gains I'll be making from the tune and complete Ardent exhaust set up far exceed the KC system...and the KC system will give the car more compressed air to burn for more power anyways so it should be a win win.

 

Interesting, I hadn't considered the need to bypass the stock heat exchanger but I guess this makes sense: if the killer chiller is able to pull the temp of the coolant in the chargecooling circuit below ambient then the stock HE would presumably work against it by heating it back up again.

Would this end up being a permanent bypass? I don't think I'd want to pull the front heat exchanger permanently out of the loop because I'd then have to presumably run the AC all the time and I don't know what this would do for my ability to adjust cabin temps etc. However if this ends up being like a switched bypass, where you can divert AC to the killer chiller with an electronic valve and also use a couple of valves to close off the heat exchanger, that could work very well - not sure if this is what Dodge do with the Demon's "power chiller" system or not.

 

I just called him for clarification. Yes, either the AC or the Defrost needs to be on. Both activate the compressor and the fan speed doesn’t matter. You still have complete control over the cabin temps as long as you bypass the stock HE. You can install his 3 way electric or manual valve that he offers to use either the stock HE or the KC system. I was a little worried about having to run the AC all the time but 90% of the time I do anyways, even in the winter to keep moisture build up out of the cab.

I wouldn’t use the bypass to run the stock HE at all in warm weather...it would defeat the reason for having the system but if the compressor for some reason failed switching to the stock (or upgraded) HE is the only option to drive the car or comes AAA.

Ok called and just ordered the 3 way electric bypass for peace of mind. He said even if the AC compressor failed (has never happened to me) and I didn’t have the bypass, the engine would still be air cooled and as long as you stay out of boost, you should be able to make it to home or a shop, within reason. I asked if the system would be operating too cold in the winter if I left it in AC or Defrost mode and he said no, it would be slightly less work on the compressor because there is less ambient pressure in the winter due to cooler air temps so the system would be using less refrigerant fluid. But if I wanted to switch I the HE in the winter that’s when I would use the bypass. Just peace of mind to have both options.

And the Demon is running their older Gen 2 system. Their current universal system is Gen 4. The Gen 2 system doesn’t allow for internal AC when your in the Demon’s max power mode, you only get inter-cooling for the engine, no AC for the cab.

 

yeah, i think the engine control is wise enough to run just fine without charge cooling. it just cuts timing and adds fuel as needed to protect itself. i had a blown fuse on my factory charge cooler pump for who knows how long.. discovered when upgraded to bosch and wouldn't fire up.. lol. I looked into the KC setup and I'd be curious as to where you too in the liquid and suction lines to make the A/C portion work. also where you put the plumbing and extra reservoir if you do that. it's pretty tight under the hood..

 

My man Dave!

 

I too have ordered the KC system with their 3 way electronic bypass.

My thoughts on 3 way bypass , is to have it thermostatically controlled to open heat exchanger loop when KC is no longer able to keep it cooler than 110f approximately, this way would benefit from both KC and stock heat exchanger when temperatures exceed KC capacity , at track or drag racing events.

Now It's been 3 weeks and haven'ts seen the kit yet though.

 

I went a slightly different route and am in the process of getting the methanol injection tuned on my car now. And as far as your exhaust from ardent performance you will be thrilled. I just got the entire system headers all the way to mufflers and the sound is thrilling. I would highly recommend using his mufflers with the valves. Quite when you want it to be, and pure heart pounding exhilaration when open! Ryan is a fantastic gentleman to work with and has true passion for cars. When I get some dyno numbers in with results of the headers I will let you know!. I will have pre meth and post meth dyno sheets as well!

I would be greatly interested to see the differences in power and temperatures between running the killer chiller vs methanol injection.

 

Yep I order the full exhaust system too. Should have the set up in a month. My shop is ready to go for the all the install work around that time too but they don't have a dyno for pre and post numbers so I'll have to look into that.