Here we go again...
Check to see if it'll do a stoppie! Here's a link to an article explaining my last statement:
Videos Show The Jeep Renegade Has A Scary Problem Under Hard Braking (UPDATED)
Back on topic though, yes, please let us know the findings! Best of luck with the XFR.
Videos Show The Jeep Renegade Has A Scary Problem Under Hard Braking (UPDATED)
Back on topic though, yes, please let us know the findings! Best of luck with the XFR.
I appreciate the heads up but like they say - tens of thousands sold in US without a problem - I'll give it a roll but I wasn't aware so VERY interesting.
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At 3 years or less it would be covered under warranty.
The car was purchased CPO in 2014 and warranty expired early 2016. The car was always serviced at Jaguar and all required maintenance always done.
Apparantly Jaguar DOES get concerned over some of this which is why they have a formal, documented, process for these instances. I am aware they owe me nothing legally and they made it very clear that there's no promises. I am OK with that and am thankful they are willing to review the circumstances, inspect the vehicle, and decide if there's anything they can or should do to help me.
Yesterday I bought a funky, cool Jeep Renegade Limited which I'll use to get me through the New England Winter, and pray that in the Spring MY XFR will be back in my garage. If not, I will shop for another toy; likely a new Vette.
The car was purchased CPO in 2014 and warranty expired early 2016. The car was always serviced at Jaguar and all required maintenance always done.
Apparantly Jaguar DOES get concerned over some of this which is why they have a formal, documented, process for these instances. I am aware they owe me nothing legally and they made it very clear that there's no promises. I am OK with that and am thankful they are willing to review the circumstances, inspect the vehicle, and decide if there's anything they can or should do to help me.
Yesterday I bought a funky, cool Jeep Renegade Limited which I'll use to get me through the New England Winter, and pray that in the Spring MY XFR will be back in my garage. If not, I will shop for another toy; likely a new Vette.
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Mark,
The cheapest I could find for a XFR motor was $9,500 in Wisconsin. Engine is listed as tested with good compression and it has 57k miles on it.
Strandberg Auto 1-800-448-5121
The cheapest I could find for a XFR motor was $9,500 in Wisconsin. Engine is listed as tested with good compression and it has 57k miles on it.
Strandberg Auto 1-800-448-5121
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Curious what you or others think about the value in these 2nd hand motors? 57,000 miles... I needed injectors at 70K and these issues @ 77K. Must say this has more milage but is more reasonable than my other options ($31K reconditioned or $21K w/ 15k miles).
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Hey, Thanks VERY much! I am still in a holding pattern waiting to hear from Jaguar corporate. With shipping and labor to install likely close to $11,000.
Curious what you or others think about the value in these 2nd hand motors? 57,000 miles... I needed injectors at 70K and these issues @ 77K. Must say this has more milage but is more reasonable than my other options ($31K reconditioned or $21K w/ 15k miles).
Curious what you or others think about the value in these 2nd hand motors? 57,000 miles... I needed injectors at 70K and these issues @ 77K. Must say this has more milage but is more reasonable than my other options ($31K reconditioned or $21K w/ 15k miles).
UPDATE:
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
Last edited by MarkN; Oct 22, 2016 at 06:06 AM.
UPDATE:
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
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UPDATE:
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
I heard from Jaguar Corporate yesterday and they said local shop confirms car needs a new motor but there's NOTHING they will do to help me. I get this, but what aggravates me about the process is she told me that she spoke with the service manager at great length and that my car was outside of the parameters because:
1. I am not the original owner
2. Car is old
3. Car has a lot of miles
I told her all these things up front so if these are REALLY the reason they could have saved me some HOPE, more $, and them their time. They didn't need to speak to the service manager at length to learn these things above. What DID they talk about and what was the REAL reason for not wanting to help? There's no transparency in the process and the woman somewhat encouraged me to have the car towed to Jag and to pay for the diagnosis leading me to believe there was hope and the process would help.
My local dealer where the car is now has yet to provide an estimate and they said they will and will also offer a discount. So, I'll wait for that but a discounted new motor from Jag sound like the same price I paid for the car CPO!!
I think it becomes an expensive paperweight or scrap metal.
I'll keep you updated.
On the bright side - I am having fun driving my new renegade although from a different planet than an XFR. Next Spring I see a Corvette in my future...
Sorry to hear the news from Jag corporate. You would think they could do something or salavage many of the parts "heads etc" and offer to help with a rebuild process. Saying you "need a new engine" sounds like a load. Did corporate or your local shop give you some idea of what happened or why it failed? Trying to get my head around how an engine just fails in this day and age. I can understand if it's been heavily modified but it sounds like yours was pretty much stock.
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I give you my condolences Mark. You find yourself in a place that less of us are going to see because of higher quality engineering and manufacturing processes, but when we do it will be harder to find a solution short of buying a replacement.
The real issue is dealerships, for the most part, are employing wrenches/parts pullers instead of mechanics. So if they can't just replace something, they don't know what else to do.
You need to find a craftsman and they will definitely be able to rebuild your engine. It's just an internal combustion engine...pistons, rods, bearings, etc. Craftsmen know what to do with those, wrenches don't.
I'm not saying that I have that knowledge. And I'm not trying to disparage those working at the dealership. But they just don't have the knowledge you need. Think about how many times on this forum that we are able to "solve" an issue that has been to the dealer multiple times with no resolution.
The real issue is dealerships, for the most part, are employing wrenches/parts pullers instead of mechanics. So if they can't just replace something, they don't know what else to do.
You need to find a craftsman and they will definitely be able to rebuild your engine. It's just an internal combustion engine...pistons, rods, bearings, etc. Craftsmen know what to do with those, wrenches don't.
I'm not saying that I have that knowledge. And I'm not trying to disparage those working at the dealership. But they just don't have the knowledge you need. Think about how many times on this forum that we are able to "solve" an issue that has been to the dealer multiple times with no resolution.
Hey guys, thanks!
When I get the final write up from the dealer I am going to ask the million $ question; in their opinion what caused it. Puzzles me and drives me nuts!
I won't just ditch the car; the was frustration speaking. I'll cover it in my garage and explore options. maybe in a couple / few years more motors will be available in junk yards? maybe the re-build process is something I will explore, etc. I truly loved this car and there's nothing I'd like more than to be able to drive it again at some point.
I was surprised they didn't offer ANYTHING. I am taking 1 more swing with corporate in the form of a nice letter to North American CEO sharing my disappointment. I'm a loyal Jaguar enthusiast and they just pooped all over me. With a car that failed so young and indifference from the company it would be silly for me to ever buy another Jaguar; shameful as that sounds.
When I get the final write up from the dealer I am going to ask the million $ question; in their opinion what caused it. Puzzles me and drives me nuts!
I won't just ditch the car; the was frustration speaking. I'll cover it in my garage and explore options. maybe in a couple / few years more motors will be available in junk yards? maybe the re-build process is something I will explore, etc. I truly loved this car and there's nothing I'd like more than to be able to drive it again at some point.
I was surprised they didn't offer ANYTHING. I am taking 1 more swing with corporate in the form of a nice letter to North American CEO sharing my disappointment. I'm a loyal Jaguar enthusiast and they just pooped all over me. With a car that failed so young and indifference from the company it would be silly for me to ever buy another Jaguar; shameful as that sounds.
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Here's a good place to find recycled parts/engines:
Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market. LKQ also lists there....
Best of luck. Maybe they didn't like the pulley...
Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market. LKQ also lists there....
Best of luck. Maybe they didn't like the pulley...
The formal response I got was a canned answer. I'd like to know what was really discussed and how and why they reached their decision.
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I'm not all that familiar with the "families" of Jag engines, as well as what engines went in which car lines, and at what time they did. So I'm just curious, Mark, if the engine in your car would be the same as a 5.0 engine that was in a 2102 XJ....