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When I bought my '93 XJ, I was told by the dealer's Service Mgr that Jaguar did not recommend tire rotation. Since then I've '98 and '04 XJ's, and '09 and '12 XF's, all serviced regularly at dealers, and tire rotation has never been suggested. Tires have done just fine; last year I replaced the tires on my '12 XF at 6 years - 37K miles because of some faint tread noise (not vibration).
I just made a service appointment and the advisor asked if I wanted rotation (something like $30). The tires now have 4300 miles on them. I said no, because I've had 24 good years driving Jaguars without tire rotation. (OTOH, our Subaru gets tires rotated at around 5K).
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Two questions first: Do you have a staggered set of wheels (wider tires on rear than front) or directional tires?

If yes to either question, do not rotate.

If no on BOTH questions, then you can rotate. See attached image.

Directional tires have a left/right mounting and cannot be flipped to opposite side and staggered tires cannot be swapped back to front.

 
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I don't know what is Jaguar dealer's head... no oil change, no tire rotation...

As far as I know, unless you are staggered, tire rotation is not a bad thing... and it is usually recommended in order to have the tires wear out nicely.
Personally, I do it and did it on all of my cars... and I will be doing it on this one as well.

But then again, what do I know!?
 
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Thanks for the comments. I should have noted that the Owner's Manual has 10 pages covering tires (specs, pressures, wear, etc.), but no word about rotation.
Also, the Maintenance Schedule calls for "tire inspection" at 15K intervals, no comment about rotation.
My 2012 XF and 2014 Outback were delivered with directional Continentals. The replacement Continentals supplied by both dealers are nondirectional. The original sets on both cars were the only directionsl tires I've ever had.
To clarify: I had rear vibration issues with my '93 XJ which were eventually solved with wheel balance. The Service Advisor then told me (to the best of my 20+ year memory) that once they got a car running smoothly, Jaguar didn't like to mess with the tires.

Appreciate the advice.- I've owned quite a few cars in the past 60+ years, and have rotated all but the Jaguars. Based on your advice, maybe I'll start - next year. If I still have the car, the tires should be up to 8-10K miles.

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Thanks for the comments. I should have noted that the Owner's Manual has 10 pages covering tires (specs, pressures, wear, etc.), but no word about rotation.
Also, the Maintenance Schedule calls for "tire inspection" at 15K intervals, no comment about rotation.
My 2012 XF and 2014 Outback were delivered with directional Continentals. The replacement Continentals supplied by both dealers are nondirectional. The original sets on both cars were the only directionsl tires I've ever had.
To clarify: I had rear vibration issues with my '93 XJ which were eventually solved with wheel balance. The Service Advisor then told me (to the best of my 20+ year memory) that once they got a car running smoothly, Jaguar didn't like to mess with the tires.

Appreciate the advice.- I've owned quite a few cars in the past 60+ years, and have rotated all but the Jaguars. Based on your advice, maybe I'll start - next year. If I still have the car, the tires should be up to 8-10K miles.

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You buy tires at a car dealer??? Wow, I would certainly never do that. Besides the fact that you are paying as much as double the going price, the mechanics rarely are expert in mounting and balancing. A tire company such as Discount Tire or many others (including Costco) will do much better work at much less the price, and often your 30 dollar (!!!) rotations are free. Speaking of rotation, don't worry about it either way. With modern tires and good mounting and balancing you are fine either way. The one reason why you may want to rotate is to get all 4 to wear out at the same time rather than replacing them two at a time. I rarely bother with it, but I am careful to keep wheels and tires true and balanced and the car aligned. I am curious what model Contis your dealer put on the car, it sounds like an older or lower model than the factory tires. Typical car dealer way of doing business.
 
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Dick - if the original tires were directional, I could see why the dealer would say not to bother with the rotation.

Personally, I still do a semi-rotation on the wheels with directional thread (especially on my track tires)- move them front to back on the same side.

Asymmetric tires however can be rotated without issue. The make of the car doesn't matter, or better said, usually the car its not the one that dictates if the tires should rotate or not.
 
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mrNewt- The recommendation to NOT rotate was on a '93 select edition (off-lease) with Kumho non-directional tires. I traded that car in before I wore the tires out, which has happened to me fairly often.
swimref - I've owned cars for 60+ years - in that time, I've spent lots of time shopping for tires and scheduling installations and rotations, but in the last 20 years or so, driving fewer miles, I have appreciated the convenience of 1-stop shopping for tires (and batteries, blades etc.). A couple of times I have checked the dealer's price vs. on-line or independents and there wasn't a huge difference, especially considering this is an occasional purchase. Both cars originally had some version of ProContact - the Subaru replacements appeared to be an equivalent ProContact; The Jaguar replacements are ExtremeContact DWS06, which work fine for me (especially for driving 5K miles/year).
Thanks to both of you for your interest.
 
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The Extreme Contact DWS 06 tires are an extremely good tire, as good as any all season you can get. They are considerably better than the Pro Contacts (no longer made) the car was delivered with. The DWS 06 is asymmetrical (a specific outside and inside) but not directional. The Pro Contacts were not asymmetrical and NOT directional. Even if the tire price were the same (and if they want 30 bucks for a simple rotation it is not) I would never let a car dealer mechanic touch my tires or wheels, only a specialist will do.
 
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Swimref, thanks for your comments!
I checked the Subaru, dealer installed Procontact GX in 2017, which I believe is their normal OEM tire. The original tires (2012 on the Jaguar and 2014 on the Subaru) had large directional arrows designed into the sidewall and identical names/models. Maybe ContiPro? As you can see, I don't know much about tires. If they have no vibration, don't skid, don't make too much noise, and last about 40K miles, they work for me. But then I drive like an old man, so not much challenge.
Have a great day...
 
 
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