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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 09:22 PM
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For what it's worth, I seem to be tracking the (near?) same problem here:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-member-87491/

23 year experienced Jag tech/shop owner seems to think symptoms point to one cylinder not firing - or at least firing at wrong time.

Will know more in a few days.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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Thank You! That is forcing me about the slower than normal flame expansion (after ignition) in one, or more cylinders, until the engine gets a little warm.... and the piston, -s is/are knocking in the cyl..
 
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Old Dec 14, 2014 | 05:01 AM
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Hello from Poland.
I'm getting exactly the same sound in my 4.0 X308. Knocking when engine cold, louder on D or R, when engine gets hot - knocking gets totally away. The engine always runs perfect. Driving with this from about 8000 km.

My question is - how is your knocking now?
Are you still driving with it?
Still the same/worse? Have you diagnosed or repaired it?
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 03:42 AM
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Still the same 15k miles later
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 06:39 AM
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About the same, as earlier. New, that I hear it when the engine is warm sometimes, but quietly.
I got even an XKR since then, and it has the same sound after cold start up. This car ran only 38000 miles.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 09:44 AM
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Thank you for your answers, now I can sleep peacefully
And as I can see, there is no need to look for the source of knocking and disassemble the engine, at least until they are not heared all the time (on hot engine) and the engine runs as it should
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 03:36 PM
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Turn up the radio!
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 03:53 PM
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I did that, to drown out my funny noise. Now the subwoofer has blown, and I'm fixing that. Still, it's easier than an engine teardown.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2014 | 11:14 PM
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I had the same problem with engine tick/knock when cold only. It sounded like sharpening a French chef knife with a knife sharpener file. I thought my supercharger was being destroyed.

I eventually found the cause which was a split in the stainless steel metal tube from the exhaust manifold to the EGR valve. The split is hard to spot and is in the corrugated section of the tube. I only found the split when the engine was running and I saw the insulation of the EGR valve tube flapping rhythmically. I replace that tube and problem solved permanently. It's been a year now, no sound and runs perfect.

I thought I had the wrong oil filter (incorrect), need to change the supercharger oil (incorrect), use better quality engine oil (incorrect) which I did, but to no avail. Replacing the EGR valve tube solved the problem!
 
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Old Dec 19, 2014 | 02:02 AM
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Heh, heh. That one could be classified as a certified PITA to find!
 
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Old Dec 19, 2014 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by XJR Pilot
I had the same problem with engine tick/knock when cold only. It sounded like sharpening a French chef knife with a knife sharpener file. I thought my supercharger was being destroyed.

I eventually found the cause which was a split in the stainless steel metal tube from the exhaust manifold to the EGR valve. The split is hard to spot and is in the corrugated section of the tube. I only found the split when the engine was running and I saw the insulation of the EGR valve tube flapping rhythmically. I replace that tube and problem solved permanently. It's been a year now, no sound and runs perfect.

I thought I had the wrong oil filter (incorrect), need to change the supercharger oil (incorrect), use better quality engine oil (incorrect) which I did, but to no avail. Replacing the EGR valve tube solved the problem!
Thats interesting, as I have a strange noise, AND an EGR code!
 
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Old Dec 19, 2014 | 03:48 PM
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BTW, did you get any codes when you had the split in the pipe?
 
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Old Dec 19, 2014 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by XJR Pilot
I eventually found the cause which was a split in the stainless steel metal tube from the exhaust manifold to the EGR valve.
I was very happy reading it, but then I've realised, that... I don't have EGR, because I have 4.0 Sovereign, not XJR..
Or maybe X308 4.0 without supercharger also has an EGR?

Anyway my engine knock is EXACTLY the same as on Markocosic's video.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2014 | 11:55 PM
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I just checked the Jaguar Technical Guide - AJ-V8 Engine and 5HP24 Transmission Introduction book, page 37 on the EGR system it clearly shows a picture of the stainless steel EGR tube which they call the "transfer pipe" connecting from the right (passenger) exhaust manifold to the EGR valve. That transfer pipe was what had the split and was replaced. It costed around $200 dollars and five minutes to replace. The picture shows a non-supercharged engine. See attached PDF.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2014 | 04:36 AM
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Thanks, XJR Pilot! I'm gonna check the EGR (if I will find it!) and that transfer pipe. Hope that this is the problem
 
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Old Dec 21, 2014 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark SF
BTW, did you get any codes when you had the split in the pipe?
No codes show up. That was the strange thing....
 
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Old Dec 21, 2014 | 03:15 PM
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So, does an AJ27 NA engine have a EGR valve?
 
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Old Dec 21, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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JEPC shows one from VIN A00083 on the XK8, but I don't know what engine that is for sure. Also XJ8 from VIN 812317.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2014 | 07:06 AM
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Unfortunately, my late 2000 XJ 4.0 hasn't got EGR valve..
 
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Old Dec 24, 2014 | 09:45 AM
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I don't think any NA XJ8s do. The VVT allows the valve overlap to be used to perform the same function.
 
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