Hi

Thanks for accepting my request to join the forum. This is my first Jaguar!

Purchased the vehicle in May 2019 from approved Jaguar dealership with 26k on the clock. Now on 31k and drove to work as usual. i

In July 2019 I had a 'oil service required' message which was unusual as car had a full service documented before pick up. Took it back to Jaguar who looked at it and said that it was possible that the service interval had not been set correctly. Issue sorted.

On Monday of this week drove some 20 miles and engine noise apparent in cabin which seemed unusual ( Car sounded like an old diesel tractor). No warning lights so took my time getting home.

Rang Jaguar assistance who sent out the AA who suggested that although the car still ran that I get to the local JAG dealer. Transported the next day.

Jaguar garage inspected and on opening the oil filler cap found metal fragments and recommended new engine. Thankfully car still under manufacturer warranty. They are ordered new engine and plan to install next week.

Question is simple; is this normal and are there any grounds for recourse? Whilst new engine sounds attractive, surely it devalues the car and potentially affects the issue of resale at a later date.

Advice sought please.

Thanks Mark

 

You've got a used car with a new engine. For recourse to be possible, you have to establish some loss. I can't see any loss here.

Define "normal"

 

Probably incorrect terminology used. Rather than the word normal, is this is a common issue?

In terms of recourse.............I have to assume that there is nothing that can be done and should view a new engine as a positive experience?

 

Well what else would you rather have happened?
Do you want them to buy the car back or replace the entire car?
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Essentially you have no means of knowing, (nor does the Jaguar dealership that sold you the car), how the previous owner took care of the car and how he/she drove it. It might have suffered from a fill of petrol instead of diesel for all one knows, if it was never in a dealership to be fixed. Fortunately the warranty will take care of this for you, that's what it's there for. Total failure of these 3 litre diesel engines is very uncommon, but the V8 petrols are another matter as you will see if you look around this forum !

 

I would look upon that as a positive outcome. I did buy a used x308 many years ago and that had been fitted with a brand new engine just prior to me getting it, I actually had to wait a few days extra while it was being fitted. I was very pleased to have an engine that had never been abused by anyone !

 

That’s awesome. I’d love to have a brand-new engine installed in a used car I was about to buy. That should increase resale value, not decrease it.

All the best.

 

Thanks for all the replies, it is appreciated. I've looked around at other forums and concluded that failure of these 3 litre engines is very rare. I need to embrace the new engine rather than worry about future value. Apart from this issue the car has been fantastic and I can't wait to get it back :-)

 

That's not really the experience my mechanic who has had 18 in for a new engine in the past 12 months and close to the same number the previous year.
Chains snapped, crankshaft snapped, oil dilution, head gaskets gone and some other reason I don't recall. He has same work to do for Range Rover clients with same engine.

I desperately would love a 3.0 diesel jag but I'm going to check dealership for a jaguar reconditioned of such engine, before it goes bang. Wondering what warranty they may put along with it.

 

Your mechanic have mixed the new ingenium engine to the old AJD-V6.
AJD-V6 do not have any chains to snap (belt driven), no head gasket problems and not (much) crankshaft snapped in 3.0L AJD-V6 / DT20 Diesel. Snapping crankshafts were issue in 2.7l.
Issues with ingenium diesel versions:
https://4x4-specialists.com/ingenium...-need-to-know/
Donīt believe what somebody claim, search yourself.
Note that PSA have been used same angine for much higher volumes than JRL. (codename DT20) No other than normal rate of failures reported there either. (even less, because oil dillution is less issue on front wheel driven vehicle, because of the location of DPF on exhaust system.

 

I suggest a good read of that link proves my point on all counts. anyone buying a pre-2019 car could experience all issues shown in that link as also explained by my mechanic, who has repaired or scrapped dozens for his clients and urges me to avoid both jaguar and Range Rover. (The two brands I most want to own.

 

Indeed, I won't just agree with a random pro-jagger on a forum when my mechanic of many years has shown me otherwise to be the reality.
That link you posted actually proves my statement to be true.

Looking for another forum that is actually independent and factual.