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For my 2013 XJ v6 SC rear wd

The book seems to call for WSS M2C913 - c 5w30

but the oil cap calls for a 2W20 Castrol with no spec mentioned
Castrol web site (and Mobil 1 site) say they do not have an oil for this car.

Assuming it takes a 5W20, What WSS Spec does it need?

The dealer service folks have not been helpful.
 
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Welcome to the forum ecamiel.
I've deleted your two other identical posts, please do not cross post the same question.
When you get a chance please post an intro in the new members section. New Member Area - Intro a MUST - Jaguar Forums - Jaguar Enthusiasts Forum
 
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I'm having a problem determining the proper oil For my 2013 XJ v6 SC rear wd.
The owner's manual says 5W-30 WSS2C913-C. The oil filler cap says 5W-20 Castrol with no spec mentioned.
Castrol web site (and Mobil 1 site) say they do not have an oil for this car. but on the phone Pennzoil say a 2014 (not 2014) takes WSSM2C925-A. M2C945-A has superseded that I think.

Assuming it takes a 5W20, What WSS Spec does it need? And where can I get it except from a Jag dealer?

The dealer service folks have not been at all helpful.

Thanks for your help.
Eric

2013 XJ portofolio 3 liter SC
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Originally Posted by ecamiel View Post
I'm having a problem determining the proper oil For my 2013 XJ v6 SC rear wd.
The owner's manual says 5W-30 WSS2C913-C. The oil filler cap says 5W-20 Castrol with no spec mentioned.
Castrol web site (and Mobil 1 site) say they do not have an oil for this car. but on the phone Pennzoil say a 2014 (not 2014) takes WSSM2C925-A. M2C945-A has superseded that I think.

Assuming it takes a 5W20, What WSS Spec does it need? And where can I get it except from a Jag dealer?

The dealer service folks have not been at all helpful.

Thanks for your help.
Eric

2013 XJ portofolio 3 liter SC
1964 Lotus Elan Hart
1972 Yamaha R5 Racer
1960 Mk9 sold
1974 XJ6 sold
I answered this yesterday but the response was lost as the Mods were in the middle of combining your duplicate posts.

The owner's manual trumps what's written on the filler cap and what Castrol or Mobil say.
 
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Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
I answered this yesterday but the response was lost as the Mods were in the middle of combining your duplicate posts.

The owner's manual trumps what's written on the filler cap and what Castrol or Mobil say.
I suspect the problem is that this particular owner's manual doesn't make clear exactly which 3.0 litre motor (turbo diesel or SC petrol) that oil is recommended for. Either that or the OP isn't reading the manual correctly, but of course this is impossible to tell without the actual manual in hand!
Having owned all three variants - 3.0 turbo diesel, 5.0 SC petrol and 3.0 SC petrol - I'm fairly sure the recommended 5W-30 oil is/was only ever for the diesel motor, and the recommended oil for either or both of the SC petrol motors is/was either 5W20 or 0W20, with 5W20 being for the earlier motors and 0W20 being for later motors and/or "extreme conditions".
 
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Originally Posted by ecamiel View Post
Thanks
perhaps you can stop posting the same question in multiple sections now?
 
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Originally Posted by OzXFR View Post
I suspect the problem is that this particular owner's manual doesn't make clear exactly which 3.0 litre motor (turbo diesel or SC petrol) that oil is recommended for.
The diesel version was not sold in N. America.
 
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Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
The diesel version was not sold in N. America.
Yeah, I knew that, but the question still remains, what exactly does the 2013 XJ owner's manual that we are talking about say about recommended oil?
Seeing as JLR tend to supply fairly generic owner's manuals that are not even remotely tailored to the specific car, I wouldn't be surprised if this owner's manual wasn't altered sufficiently for NA to exclude everything specific to the diesel motor, and it could still be talking about the diesel in some areas such as recommended oil. The main reason I suspect this may be the case is the poster's claim that the manual recommends 5W30 oil, when to my knowledge this was only ever for the diesel motor and never for the petrol 3.0 petrol SC. However, if the recommended oil for the early 3.0 petrol SC was in fact 5W30 then I'll happily eat my hat!
 
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Originally Posted by OzXFR View Post
However, if the recommended oil for the early 3.0 petrol SC was in fact 5W30 then I'll happily eat my hat!
Well, that's up to you. 2013 XJ manual, page 171:

 
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Ya got me Mikey, well played! Now to find a nice small and tasty hat!
Although I was simply playing devil's advocate just in case the manual recommended the wrong oil - case in point, the recent snafu with AWD oil changes.
 
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I learned The oil requirement changed 2013 to 2014 which could account for the difference between what is in my owner's manual and written on the oil fill cap. I guess I'll have to check by the serial - vin number. My car is a late 2013

Here are ALL the lube requirements for 2013 and 2014 XJ

2013 JAGUAR XJ 3.0L 6-cyl Engine Code DOHC
minus.jpg LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS:
Engine Oil
Grade 1......SEO17[1] No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
All TEMPS......5W-30
Automatic Transmission,8HP70......SL093 [2]
Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATL) (ATLQT)
OE Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (OTLQT)
Differential, Rear Electronic Unit......GLS16 [3]
All TEMPS......
No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
Differential, Rear Open Unit......GLS24 [4]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVGQT)
Differential, Front......GLS24 [4]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVGQT)
Transfer Case,U/K TRC......GLS87 [5]
No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
Fluids
Brake Fluid......HBH
AMSOIL Brake Fluid DOT-4 (BF4SN) [6]
Power Steering Fluid......PS035
Signature Series Multi-Vehicle Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) (ATFQT)
Power Steering Fluid......PS035
OE Multi-Vehicle Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (OTFQT) [7]
[1] Motor oil meeting Ford specification WSS-M2C913-C.
[2] Use Shell L12108 or equivalent.
[3] Use Castrol BOT 720
[4] Use Castrol SAF-XO
[5] Use Shell TF0870
[6] Shell DOT 4 ESL is preferred. If unavailable, a low
viscosity, DOT 4 brake fluid that meets
ISO 4925 Class 6 specification may be used.
[7] Use Mobil ATF320.
minus.jpg FILTERS:
Air Filter MANN Air Filter (C30115)
minus.jpg CHASSIS LUBRICATION:
0 Fittings, 0 Plugs
minus.jpg CAPACITIES:
Engine, AWD, with filter..........6.9 quarts [1]
Engine, RWD, with filter..........7.7 quarts [1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........14.3 quarts
Passenger Car & Light Truck Antifreeze & Coolant
AMSOIL Antifreeze and Engine Coolant
Automatic Transmission, 8HP70 Initial Fill..........Not Specified
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
8 speed 8HP70..........9 quarts
Differential, Electronic Unit Rear..........2.5 pints
Differential, Front..........1.1 pints
Differential, Open Unit Rear..........1.7 pints
Transfer Case, U/K TRC..........1.1 pints
[1] After refill check oil level.
minus.jpg TORQUES:
Oil Drain Plug.....17 ft/lbs
Transfer Case
Fill Plug 44 ft/lbs
Drain Plug 44 ft/lbs





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2014 JAGUAR XJ 3.0L 6-cyl Engine Code [D]
minus.jpg LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS:
Engine Oil
Grade 1......SEO14[1] No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
All TEMPS......5W-20
Below -4 F......0W-20
Automatic Transmission,8HP70......SL093 [2]
Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATL) (ATLQT)
OE Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (OTLQT)
Differential, Front......GLS24 [3]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVGQT)
Differential, Rear Electronic Unit......GLS16 [4]
All TEMPS......
No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
Differential, Rear Open Unit......GLS24 [3]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVGQT)
Transfer Case,U/K TRC......GLS87 [5]
No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
Fluids
Brake Fluid......HBH
AMSOIL Brake Fluid DOT-4 (BF4SN) [6]
Power Steering Fluid......PS035
Signature Series Multi-Vehicle Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) (ATFQT)
Power Steering Fluid......PS035
OE Multi-Vehicle Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (OTFQT) [7]
[1] Use motor oil meeting specification WSS-M2C925-A, WSS superseded by WSSM2C945-A
except in
locations where temperatures fall below -4 F (-20 C). If
unavailable, or in locations where temperatures fall below
-4 F (-20 C) engine oil meeting Jaguar Land Rover
specification STJLR.51.5122 should be used.
[2] Use Shell L12108 or equivalent.
[3] Use Castrol SAF-XO
[4] Use Castrol BOT 720
[5] Use Shell TF0870
[6] Shell DOT 4 ESL is preferred. If unavailable, a low
viscosity, DOT 4 brake fluid that meets
ISO 4925 Class 6 specification may be used.
[7] Use Mobil ATF320.
minus.jpg FILTERS:
Air Filter MANN Air Filter (C30115)
minus.jpg CHASSIS LUBRICATION:
0 Fittings, 0 Plugs
minus.jpg CAPACITIES:
Engine, AWD, with filter..........6.9 quarts [1]
Engine, RWD, with filter..........7.7 quarts [1]
Cooling System, AWD Initial Fill..........9.5 quarts
Passenger Car & Light Truck Antifreeze & Coolant
AMSOIL Antifreeze and Engine Coolant
Cooling System, RWD Initial Fill..........9.4 quarts
Passenger Car & Light Truck Antifreeze & Coolant
AMSOIL Antifreeze and Engine Coolant
Automatic Transmission, 8HP70 Initial Fill..........Not Specified
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
8 speed 8HP70..........9 quarts
Differential, Front..........1.1 pints
Differential, Open Unit Rear..........1.7 pints
Differential, Electronic Unit Rear..........2.5 pints
Transfer Case, U/K TRC..........1.1 pints
[1] After refill check oil level.
minus.jpg TORQUES:
Oil Drain Plug.....17 ft/lbs
Transfer Case
Fill Plug 44 ft/lbs
Drain Plug 44 ft/lbs
 
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Ecamiel, I am searching for the correct oil to put in my 2014 V6 3.0 L SC and have pulled up your thread. Castrol customer service advises that the Castrol 5W-20 Professional OE with spec WSS M2C925-A is the specified oil to use for my car. That is confirmed by the dealer. Castrol does not advise using Castrol oils adhering to WSS M2C945-A and say that the two specs are significantly different. Castrol does not agree with your info above and does not recognize that WSS M2C925-A is "superseded" by WSS M2C945-A and want to see something official from Ford or Jaguar confirming this info on letterhead.
Please advise what your source was for this information.
I'm trying to buy oil by the quart. I can find commercially available Castrol oil meeting the WSSM2C945-A spec. My local Jag dealers that have WSSM2C925-A only buy it in bulk and can't sell it to me by the quart.
 
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..... My local Jag dealers that have WSSM2C925-A only .....
If that doesn't satisfactorily answer the specification question then nothing will short of a letter signed in blood by Dr Ralf Speth.

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[QUOTE=Freddy J;1884860]Ecamiel, I am searching for the correct oil to put in my 2014 V6 3.0 L SC and have pulled up your thread. Castrol customer service advises that the Castrol 5W-20 Professional OE with spec WSS M2C925-A is the specified oil to use for my car. That is confirmed by the dealer. Castrol does not advise using Castrol oils adhering to WSS M2C945-A and say that the two specs are significantly different. Castrol does not agree with your info above and does not recognize that WSS M2C925-A is "superseded" by WSS M2C945-A and want to see something official from Ford or Jaguar confirming this info on letterhead.
Please advise what your source was for this information.


on the phone Pennzoil say a 2014 (not 2014) takes WSSM2C925-A. M2C945-A has superseded that I think. The other information, including the "supersedes" is from the Amsoil web site. Castrol would give me NO information and Jag dealers want from $600 to $900 for an oil change
I smell a rat
 
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Yep you hit the problem on the head.
Very few oils meet the WSS M2C925-A spec.

I also thought the later WSS M2C945-A spec would have superseded the 925 one BUT can't find that in writing anywhere. So we are back to getting it from the dealer (if you can!) for whatever they charge.
It's on EBay too but at $19/L!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Castrol-Edg...53.m1438.l2649

Here it is for $80/6 pack!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Castrol-Edg...sAAOSwyCla0LVm
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what is the WSS spec on the oils on Ebay?

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[QUOTE=ecamiel;1885291]
Originally Posted by Freddy J View Post
Ecamiel, I am searching for the correct oil to put in my 2014 V6 3.0 L SC and have pulled up your thread. Castrol customer service advises that the Castrol 5W-20 Professional OE with spec WSS M2C925-A is the specified oil to use for my car. That is confirmed by the dealer. Castrol does not advise using Castrol oils adhering to WSS M2C945-A and say that the two specs are significantly different. Castrol does not agree with your info above and does not recognize that WSS M2C925-A is "superseded" by WSS M2C945-A and want to see something official from Ford or Jaguar confirming this info on letterhead.
Please advise what your source was for this information.


on the phone Pennzoil say a 2014 (not 2014) takes WSSM2C925-A. M2C945-A has superseded that I think. The other information, including the "supersedes" is from the Amsoil web site. Castrol would give me NO information and Jag dealers want from $600 to $900 for an oil change
I smell a rat
Damn. My dealer charges $150 for a complete oil change. That is like $30 above costs. You need a new dealer.
 
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Yes, I, and Jaguar, need new dealers.I tried 3 different dealers, all of whom were badly reviewed on Google.
 
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Both those EBay auctions show the back label with WSS-M2C925-A and a B?

Hope we don't need to get the A or B version too??


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