Engine Coolant Low - Error displayed in Message Center
#21
Torrid nailed it! Just a Sensor looking for a complete circuit. Exactly like an airbag sensor or seat belt sensor. Airbag sensor looks for a complete circuit Through a resistor value.
It really does take a person with somewhat electrical knowledge to know where im getting at. And yes this is also my first Jaguar with a coolant level sensor. ( Ive owned 3) And never overheated. Completely poor design on overflow tank with floater sensor. Bought tank brand new a few times. If the sensor is giving the computer false information from time to time I would pop the hood and check because I cant trust that false info anyways
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It really does take a person with somewhat electrical knowledge to know where im getting at. And yes this is also my first Jaguar with a coolant level sensor. ( Ive owned 3) And never overheated. Completely poor design on overflow tank with floater sensor. Bought tank brand new a few times. If the sensor is giving the computer false information from time to time I would pop the hood and check because I cant trust that false info anyways
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So for the short term, you have a small leak or possibly overheated and lost some coolant and you can top it off. If it runs low again, you'll want to bring it to a shop to fix the leak.
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I have a 2004 xjr and noticed a coolant leak, got a coolant low warning. I think the Ford coolant was the same spec and is orange. Decided as there is a leak somewhere and it looked like it was the back( about 3/4 hose) with plastic connector.To take it off with a slide wire sort of mechanism to hold the hose connection to a slot in the nipple of the tank. Mine seems to be leaking there and from what I can see at that connection, leaks when pushed. It looks like this Engine Coolant Recovery Tank Hose Genuine Fits 2004 2007 Jaguar XJR Super V8 | eBay.
Wondering is there is supposed to be an "O" ring as this connection does not seem to have a squeeze connection like all the other hose attachments. My car only has 72k miles on it, and while it is 11 years old, and because I got the part out will probably replace the tank even though it doesn't seem bad. I am suspecting the connection. Anyone have any experience with this?
Wondering is there is supposed to be an "O" ring as this connection does not seem to have a squeeze connection like all the other hose attachments. My car only has 72k miles on it, and while it is 11 years old, and because I got the part out will probably replace the tank even though it doesn't seem bad. I am suspecting the connection. Anyone have any experience with this?
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I ended up replacing my expansion coolant tank( about $160 for the xjr) and found it was not the problem with a leaky nipple, as seems to be a common area of problem at the bottom back of the tank. The slide on piece ( why they didn't use a clamp like is on the other connections baffles me) actually has an O ring on the inside I found. It is part of a 3 armed piece of tubing assembly that goes to the intercooler pump. I found that with a hook tool was able to fish out the o ring and replace it. I found at my local Ace hardware a 1-1/16 x/13/16 x 1/8 ( part 357338) O ring that seems to fit and and took care of that leaky connection. So far so good.
I took Frasers suggestion and went out at night with a flashlight( torch to the English) and looked for any signs of leak. I have not seen anything, but at times smell coolant in the area. Don't seem to be losing any on the level. During the changeout lost a bunch of fluid and replaced it with the Orange coolant and distilled water ( 50/50). On the XJR you have to take off a bunch of hoses and lose ( get a small cork or one that I cut down to stem the flow from the cooler jacket atop the engine) a bunch of coolant as it drains.
I took Frasers suggestion and went out at night with a flashlight( torch to the English) and looked for any signs of leak. I have not seen anything, but at times smell coolant in the area. Don't seem to be losing any on the level. During the changeout lost a bunch of fluid and replaced it with the Orange coolant and distilled water ( 50/50). On the XJR you have to take off a bunch of hoses and lose ( get a small cork or one that I cut down to stem the flow from the cooler jacket atop the engine) a bunch of coolant as it drains.
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Hey Fraser, is the "header tank" you talk about the same as the coolant over flow tank? I replace the coolant tank and themostat housing along with the plastic Y fitting for the heater and hose at the back of the engine about 2 years ago. The other day I got the low coolant light and it was low but I can't see where it is leaking from.
#28
On mine i had to replace the overflow coolant tank. small leak near hose connection. Complete bullshit about this warning meaning your running hot. there is a magnetic floater piece that easily gets stuck inside the overflow tank itself. Even mine after a brand new reservoir had the message.
Im a MECP Master Tech specializing in auto electrical
This is what I did. On the bottom of the reservoir there is a electrical connector with two wires. disconnect it. Get a paper clip or piece of wire and complete the loop. ie put the wires together. Boom no more bullshit message. Now just pay attention to that temp gauge when driving. Every now and then pop the hood and check level of coolant. The message will never come back for the life of the car! i promise!! enjoy!
Ive also bypass many other stupid sensors for many cars.
Im a MECP Master Tech specializing in auto electrical
This is what I did. On the bottom of the reservoir there is a electrical connector with two wires. disconnect it. Get a paper clip or piece of wire and complete the loop. ie put the wires together. Boom no more bullshit message. Now just pay attention to that temp gauge when driving. Every now and then pop the hood and check level of coolant. The message will never come back for the life of the car! i promise!! enjoy!
Ive also bypass many other stupid sensors for many cars.
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Hey Fraser, is the "header tank" you talk about the same as the coolant over flow tank? I replace the coolant tank and themostat housing along with the plastic Y fitting for the heater and hose at the back of the engine about 2 years ago. The other day I got the low coolant light and it was low but I can't see where it is leaking from.
I'm not Fraser but the header tank is the same as the reservoir tank, which is also referred to as an expansion tank. The pic in post #3 points right to it.
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I ended up replacing my expansion coolant tank( about $160 for the xjr) and found it was not the problem with a leaky nipple, as seems to be a common area of problem at the bottom back of the tank. The slide on piece ( why they didn't use a clamp like is on the other connections baffles me) actually has an O ring on the inside I found. It is part of a 3 armed piece of tubing assembly that goes to the intercooler pump. I found that with a hook tool was able to fish out the o ring and replace it. I found at my local Ace hardware a 1-1/16 x/13/16 x 1/8 ( part 357338) O ring that seems to fit and and took care of that leaky connection. So far so good.
I took Frasers suggestion and went out at night with a flashlight( torch to the English) and looked for any signs of leak. I have not seen anything, but at times smell coolant in the area. Don't seem to be losing any on the level. During the changeout lost a bunch of fluid and replaced it with the Orange coolant and distilled water ( 50/50). On the XJR you have to take off a bunch of hoses and lose ( get a small cork or one that I cut down to stem the flow from the cooler jacket atop the engine) a bunch of coolant as it drains.
I took Frasers suggestion and went out at night with a flashlight( torch to the English) and looked for any signs of leak. I have not seen anything, but at times smell coolant in the area. Don't seem to be losing any on the level. During the changeout lost a bunch of fluid and replaced it with the Orange coolant and distilled water ( 50/50). On the XJR you have to take off a bunch of hoses and lose ( get a small cork or one that I cut down to stem the flow from the cooler jacket atop the engine) a bunch of coolant as it drains.
For those that have the SC and can't see the infamous hose beneath, a leak down along the transmission is a tell tale sign that's your source.
Another option is to get a system leak down tester, which in my neck of the woods can be rented for free from an auto parts store. Just connect it to the reservoir where the cap goes and apply no more pressure that your cap is rated for.
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If the leak is not the coolant tank nipple, go to the thermostat housing. The housing on the XJ8 is plastic and can have various failures. It fails internally by fracturing around the bypass valve seat which can cause overheating, and it also leaks at the large diameter o-ring. This leak will show by running down around the water pump pulley. Replacing it is pretty fussy, but can be done by a good DIY guy. Keep in mind that this car does not have a separate thermostat, it is built into the housing so you have to replace the whole thing.
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bypassing sensors
NOT SOUND ADVICE MR MECP TECH. NEVER,NEVER,NEVER bypass ANY SENSOR OR SAFTEY DEVICE, THEY ARE THERE FOR A REASON. YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
Im a MECP Master Tech specializing in auto electrical
This is what I did. On the bottom of the reservoir there is a electrical connector with two wires. disconnect it. Get a paper clip or piece of wire and complete the loop. ie put the wires together. Boom no more bullshit message. Now just pay attention to that temp gauge when driving. Every now and then pop the hood and check level of coolant. The message will never come back for the life of the car! i promise!! enjoy!
Ive also bypass many other stupid sensors for many cars.[/QUOTE]
Im a MECP Master Tech specializing in auto electrical
This is what I did. On the bottom of the reservoir there is a electrical connector with two wires. disconnect it. Get a paper clip or piece of wire and complete the loop. ie put the wires together. Boom no more bullshit message. Now just pay attention to that temp gauge when driving. Every now and then pop the hood and check level of coolant. The message will never come back for the life of the car! i promise!! enjoy!
Ive also bypass many other stupid sensors for many cars.[/QUOTE]
#35
Yesterday I got the same dreaded "Coolant low" message. I had the expansion tank replaced last year and the car has been mostly sitting and not driven much since. So I am puzzled by the new leak. Can I just keep topping it off without spending more $$$ on repair or causing harm to the coolant system?
Thanks.
Thanks.
#36
Yesterday I got the same dreaded "Coolant low" message. I had the expansion tank replaced last year and the car has been mostly sitting and not driven much since. So I am puzzled by the new leak. Can I just keep topping it off without spending more $$$ on repair or causing harm to the coolant system?
Thanks.
Thanks.
The problem is if the leak is small now could it get much bigger suddenly when miles away from base?
So I personally would look for the leak. Maybe do what Philwarner has done and put a chemical in the coolant that glows under a black lite.
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For me it would depend upon how much coolant I was losing and how quickly.
The problem is if the leak is small now could it get much bigger suddenly when miles away from base?
So I personally would look for the leak. Maybe do what Philwarner has done and put a chemical in the coolant that glows under a black lite.
All changed out and now going through the process of topping off...
#38
Dex-Cool Extended Life Coolant type 50/50 coolant/distilled water mix will suffice. Orange in color not green like most on shelf. Topping it off with just distilled water will work. Keep an eye on it once topped off. If level keeps lowering then you need to find out where it is going from.
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If you keep topping off with distilled water you will end up with a lower than 50/50 mix and far less effective coolant.
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I just want to apologize to all who feel like im an idiot and giving horrible advice. I came to understand that all sensors are there for a reason. I had a leak on my 2nd overflow tank. Bought a new one, the floater works so I decided to plug the harness back in. All is well and coolant message is not on.
When I first comment on bypassing the coolant low sensor, I didnt think deep enough of how important it can be. I was under the impression ill pop the hood and check the level every few days. As long as I dont see the message.
To all the veteran members who commented on my foolish bypass, I just want to let you guys know that I respect you guys and I listened and took your advice.
If you look at the endless hours of modifications Ive done to my car you can see I try really hard
Cheers!
When I first comment on bypassing the coolant low sensor, I didnt think deep enough of how important it can be. I was under the impression ill pop the hood and check the level every few days. As long as I dont see the message.
To all the veteran members who commented on my foolish bypass, I just want to let you guys know that I respect you guys and I listened and took your advice.
If you look at the endless hours of modifications Ive done to my car you can see I try really hard
Cheers!
Last edited by Evan Trinh; 09-19-2016 at 01:45 AM.