Would a 95 XJ12 with 55k be a reliable car?
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Would a 95 XJ12 with 55k be a reliable car?
Considering purchasing a 95 xj12 with 55k miles (I hope this is the right place for this post). New to Jaguars. Had a 92 BMW v12 which was a total nightmare. It needed something fixed once per month. Would I expect to have any problems with this car in the next 40k miles assuming it has been maintained properly so far? Thanks for the help. Don't want to get into another v12 moneypit.
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As much as I have heard good reps for V12 engine I must admit I have heard some bad reps on it . So, mileage is pretty low but that still doesn't mean the engine should be perfect .
For 5.3 liter engine some infamous leaks are known but don't know about the X300's V12 . However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar havestopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
For 5.3 liter engine some infamous leaks are known but don't know about the X300's V12 . However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar havestopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
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Reliable car, but I wouldn't really want for it to be a daily driver. The only problem with the V12 that jumps to mind is keeping the engine cool. I would do anything possible to upgrade the cooling system. Keep an eye on that coolant level, and I would make sure that the fans are working properly. First thing I'd do though is put a new water pump and thermostat. A cool V12 is a reliable and strong V12.
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However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar have stopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar have stopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
In regards to BMW reliability. Those v12's were "2 straight 6's put together" and had two distributors, two computers, etc. (one for each bank). This made them horibbly complex and you spend your whole life tracing electrical faults to the numerous independent sensors and systems. My friend has a 92 Merc 600 and he has had unbelievable maintenance and reliability issues with it too and it only has 98k now. Maybe the lack of reliability comes down to "the simpler the car, the less things there are to go wrong" (all other things being equal.). So these v12's are certainly more complex but I am hoping the jag v12 is not so complex as to be fragile (like the BMWs are).
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The 1995 had a 6.0 liter v12. Just FYI. Biggie is correct, keep the engine cool. Jaguar updated the gaskets, so most of the oil leaks went away. I would look at the type of driving you do to make a decision. v12 cars are not for stop and go traffic. If you spend a great deal of time on the open road, it would be a premier vehicle. If you (like most of us) spend most of your drive time in bumper to bumper traffic, flipping off the moron on the cell phone trying to cut into your lane; it's probably not the best. v12's like to stretch their legs. They also prefer to be driven often. Don't buy and put in the garage for the occassional cruise either.
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Reliable car, but I wouldn't really want for it to be a daily driver. The only problem with the V12 that jumps to mind is keeping the engine cool. I would do anything possible to upgrade the cooling system. Keep an eye on that coolant level, and I would make sure that the fans are working properly. First thing I'd do though is put a new water pump and thermostat. A cool V12 is a reliable and strong V12.
Reliable car, but I wouldn't really want for it to be a daily driver. The only problem with the V12 that jumps to mind is keeping the engine cool. I would do anything possible to upgrade the cooling system. Keep an eye on that coolant level, and I would make sure that the fans are working properly. First thing I'd do though is put a new water pump and thermostat. A cool V12 is a reliable and strong V12.
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I was wondering about that too. I am guessing the demand dropped off and they were getting similar power from the v8 (guessing here) and I am hoping it is not due to the v12 being associated with a bad rep. I think BMW backed off the v12 route about then too. In the early mid 90's it was the Merc 600 vs. BMW 750 vs Jag xj12. Then it seems like they all backed away from the v12 somewhat.
In regards to BMW reliability. Those v12's were "2 straight 6's put together" and had two distributors, two computers, etc. (one for each bank). This made them horibbly complex and you spend your whole life tracing electrical faults to the numerous independent sensors and systems. My friend has a 92 Merc 600 and he has had unbelievable maintenance and reliability issues with it too and it only has 98k now. Maybe the lack of reliability comes down to "the simpler the car, the less things there are to go wrong" (all other things being equal.). So these v12's are certainly more complex but I am hoping the jag v12 is not so complex as to be fragile (like the BMWs are).
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However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar havestopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
However there is something that bugs my mind is that why Jaguar havestopped making anymore V12s since 98 . [&:]
It should be a more reliable engine to bimmers though
In regards to BMW reliability. Those v12's were "2 straight 6's put together" and had two distributors, two computers, etc. (one for each bank). This made them horibbly complex and you spend your whole life tracing electrical faults to the numerous independent sensors and systems. My friend has a 92 Merc 600 and he has had unbelievable maintenance and reliability issues with it too and it only has 98k now. Maybe the lack of reliability comes down to "the simpler the car, the less things there are to go wrong" (all other things being equal.). So these v12's are certainly more complex but I am hoping the jag v12 is not so complex as to be fragile (like the BMWs are).
I just remember for what a car mag commented about the engine for the Double Six aka XJ12 :"The engine is very powerful so to drive in short trips" .
I asked about the fuel consumption and for urban driving you get almost equal to Vortec engine (6.0 V8 ) [&:]lol.A german mag gave average consumption as 18lt/100 km for the Double Six[:-]
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FYI for the cool engine obsessed, one "hack" I have used in the past is to hook up water misters in front of the radiator. I used a switch, agricultural chemical spray misters, a window washer tank with integrated pump from a saab. The misters squirt water on the radiator and the resulting evaporation cools things down amazingly well. Subaru uses this approach on their STI (except for incoming air, not coolant) which has a manual switch to turn on a mister that squirts onto the intercooler to reduce heat loading. You can make it totally automated and set to turn on above a certain temp (just rememebr to fill up with water every once and a while) or you can have manual or auto/manual hybrid.
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Sounds like good advice on the cooling issue. Some cars are built deficient that way for whatever reason. When you say "wouldn't want it to be daily driver" is that because of fuel consumption or because of small niggling problems or holding your breath hoping it won't run too hot in heavy/slow traffic? Thanks for your help!
Sounds like good advice on the cooling issue. Some cars are built deficient that way for whatever reason. When you say "wouldn't want it to be daily driver" is that because of fuel consumption or because of small niggling problems or holding your breath hoping it won't run too hot in heavy/slow traffic? Thanks for your help!
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We had 2 750 BMW V12s and an 850 BMW, Mercedes S600 etc All new were great cars although id never buy a used one unless it had low miles and very well maintained. They were very expensive to service( free maint wasnt included back then), never touched the Jag. Although I also wonder why jag doesnt offer a top range V12 in at least the XJ if not the XKs also.
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If your only concern is cooling, I'm sure there are any number of aftermarket cooling fans one could add to suit. However the V12 has had some issues and any repair would be expensive as with any exotic.
You may want tolook at alternate powerplants, such as the old reliable 4.0 six, or the v8.
As to estimating reliability, each car is different and while one model in a type might run perfectly forever,the next one down the line might be nothing but bad news. It's luck of the draw my friend. Jaguars as a whole are somewhat maligned, but most of them are excellent cars if given proper care. The X300 is as are most Jaguars post 1990 reliable and solid. But again it really depends on the particular car... and your commitment to care. You will find owning a cat a unique and hopefully deeply satisfying experience. I know I have...
You may want tolook at alternate powerplants, such as the old reliable 4.0 six, or the v8.
As to estimating reliability, each car is different and while one model in a type might run perfectly forever,the next one down the line might be nothing but bad news. It's luck of the draw my friend. Jaguars as a whole are somewhat maligned, but most of them are excellent cars if given proper care. The X300 is as are most Jaguars post 1990 reliable and solid. But again it really depends on the particular car... and your commitment to care. You will find owning a cat a unique and hopefully deeply satisfying experience. I know I have...
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I was wondering about that too. I am guessing the demand dropped off and they were getting similar power from the v8 (guessing here) and I am hoping it is not due to the v12 being associated with a bad rep. I think BMW backed off the v12 route about then too. In the early mid 90's it was the Merc 600 vs. BMW 750 vs Jag xj12. Then it seems like they all backed away from the v12 somewhat.
In regards to BMW reliability. Those v12's were "2 straight 6's put together" and had two distributors, two computers, etc. (one for each bank). This made them horibbly complex and you spend your whole life tracing electrical faults to the numerous independent sensors and systems. My friend has a 92 Merc 600 and he has had unbelievable maintenance and reliability issues with it too and it only has 98k now. Maybe the lack of reliability comes down to "the simpler the car, the less things there are to go wrong" (all other things being equal.). So these v12's are certainly more complex but I am hoping the jag v12 is not so complex as to be fragile (like the BMWs are).
In regards to BMW reliability. Those v12's were "2 straight 6's put together" and had two distributors, two computers, etc. (one for each bank). This made them horibbly complex and you spend your whole life tracing electrical faults to the numerous independent sensors and systems. My friend has a 92 Merc 600 and he has had unbelievable maintenance and reliability issues with it too and it only has 98k now. Maybe the lack of reliability comes down to "the simpler the car, the less things there are to go wrong" (all other things being equal.). So these v12's are certainly more complex but I am hoping the jag v12 is not so complex as to be fragile (like the BMWs are).
No because V8’s are common and if a sensor fails it’s one sensor. Sure there are 8 spark plugs but those last 100,000 miles now days and replacing 8 doesn’t take twice as long as four because you already have the tools out. You don’t have to drag them out again for the second 4. The same policy applies for V12’s
The truth is V12’s imply exclusivity. So a premium must be charged. Mechanics are human. They need to pay bills so getting a little extra from the guy with something exclusive just is normal. I’ve seen perfectly good V12’s totally rebuilt because a vacuum hose developed a leak, the distributor wasn’t properly maintained. $5-7000 charged for a $3 hose or three drops of oil.
Oh it would be rebuilt and cleaned up etc. pictures taken it it coming apart and going back together. Ordinary wear shown as the “fault” good thing we caught this-
The Transmission in them is similar to the transmissions in millions of GM cars that are known for reliability. If you put a little piece of plastic upside down the transmission will delay or hesitate. Bring it back, drop the pan, put it in right and it’s fixed.
But after a expensive engine rebuild, expecting the cost of a transmission rebuild was simply too much. Here take it he said and didn’t want to hear anymore.
Knowledge is power.
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http://www.jagrepair.com/images/TSB/...Engagement.pdf
The question is if this issue shows up and is acceptable
And how involved do you want to get to swap out to a orange dot later version GM 4L80 - E transmission
Notice the VIN # and is this really the range of effected vehicles
The question is if this issue shows up and is acceptable
And how involved do you want to get to swap out to a orange dot later version GM 4L80 - E transmission
Notice the VIN # and is this really the range of effected vehicles
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If you want a beautiful car that looks like the XJ12 get 4.0 XJ6L or a Vanden Plas 4.0 model. They have a good record for reliability. ( Well you could get a V8 version also) The Vanden Plas are usually long wheel base cars, The Vanden Plas does have nicer wood veneer, higher spec interior with tray tables, different upholstery and rear seat arrangements. I have a '97 XJ6L that I find to be beautiful enough. The long wheelbase X300 variants are all quite rare. The extra wheelbase makes for a very spacious rear seat, noticeably roomier than the standard version. It looks quite impressive to your rear seat passengers. Of course you will probably never ride back there, I haven't. The V12s are legendary. That's why I bought one. Jaguar had the most successful passenger car V12 engine of all time. Well over 150,000 built, mostly in the XJS. Emissions and fuel economy requirements are what killed that engine. Although the H.E. and 6.0 versions were pretty good. Of course the new V8 (starting in 1998) could pretty much match the performance of the V12 at lower cost and complexity. That XJ12 is a real classic but maintaining it properly can be a challenge.
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Considering the thread was started 12 years ago, I suspect the OP made a decision a long time ago. We have a new member who seems to specialize in tomb raiding to bring long dead threads to life again.
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