Battery voltage questions/concerns
#61
I may do another test by removing all the bulbs of the interior lights to see if the parasitic current draw then disappears but this would only reconfirm that there is a partial fault in the BPM's lights control circuitry.
#62
#63
I tested with all interior light bulbs (those that are controlled by the BPM via fuse #7) removed and the extra parasitic current draw remained the same (total 0.08 A meaning 0.05 A extra). This means that the extra current is not flowing through the bulbs but through some other part of the BPM's circuitry related to the interior lights and the shifter lock (line "17" from fuse #7). I opened up a spare (used) BPM that I have to have a look inside. It is extremely complex and it has 24 power transistors controlling (switching on and off) various things, a number of micro chips and hundreds of other miniature components. So, I just closed it back.
The extra 0.05 A current draw, although rather small in terms of electrical currents, means a lot for the discharge of the battery. With my present parasitic draw of 0.08 A, I estimated that the battery would last for some 20 days. If I remove the extra 0.05 A, the battery will last almost 2 months so I am going to install the timer relay I mentioned earlier to cut-off the fuse #7 line 1-2 minutes after the engine switch off (so that I can still have the interior lights while I am getting out of the car).
The extra 0.05 A current draw, although rather small in terms of electrical currents, means a lot for the discharge of the battery. With my present parasitic draw of 0.08 A, I estimated that the battery would last for some 20 days. If I remove the extra 0.05 A, the battery will last almost 2 months so I am going to install the timer relay I mentioned earlier to cut-off the fuse #7 line 1-2 minutes after the engine switch off (so that I can still have the interior lights while I am getting out of the car).
#64
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Trying to escape Central Florida
Posts: 4,635
Received 1,768 Likes
on
1,302 Posts
#65
There is no relay for the fob reception module (the SLCM). It is powered by a permanent 12 V supply from fuse #10 of the Trunk Fuse Box, i.e. completely independent of the BPM (and its fuse #7 in the LH Heelboard that I am going to isolate).
I have already tested the car's functions with the LH Heelboard fuse #7 out; everything works (including starting the engine) except only the interior lights and the shifter lock solenoid (puddle lights work). I checked these functions immediately after removal of the fuse #7 and also after more that 1 hour (and the next day) when all systems had gone into the sleep mode.
I have already tested the car's functions with the LH Heelboard fuse #7 out; everything works (including starting the engine) except only the interior lights and the shifter lock solenoid (puddle lights work). I checked these functions immediately after removal of the fuse #7 and also after more that 1 hour (and the next day) when all systems had gone into the sleep mode.
#66
#67
If I had a power outlet in my garage, I should hook her up to a tender, but I haven't, so just take the negative pole off the battery.
Velcro-ed a M10 wrench on the steel battery holder for that.
But there are some fancy battery dis-connectors out there, even remote controlled ones ...
#68
1. Interior Lights
2. Boot Lights
3. Shifter Lock
My installation:
With this installation, I have 0.03 amps battery drain (0.08 before) after one hour from car lock. This should go further down after 2 days by another 8 mA, i.e the drain will be 0.022 amps.
With the battery drain of 0.03 amps, I have monitored my current battery voltage drop over 10 days. This battery is not very good actually as it was once (soon after I bought it) subject to a serious over-discharge while I was away for a week. When I came back I found that (due to a fault in my alarm siren), even though the car was off and locked, the SC electric pump was running and the throttle body was humming. I disconnected the battery and found that it had just about 11 volts meaning that, while under load by the SC pump and the TB, this voltage was even lower which caused the sulfation process in the battery to take place (it starts at 10.8 volts). The battery drain monitor results:
Day 0 12.52
Day 1 12.44
Day 2 12.40
Day 3 12.37
Day 4 12.33
Day 5 12.31
Day 6 12.28
Day 7 12.27
Day 8 12.26
Day 9 12.24
Day 10 12.22
I am going to install a new battery soon and repeat the test (will inform on the results for comparison)
Last edited by M. Stojanovic; 12-23-2018 at 06:55 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Highhorse (12-27-2018)
#69
I completed the battery drain test using a new AGM battery. The results are as follows (not much difference between the two).
.....................Delkor ~ 2.5 years old ........ Varta AGM New
Day 0 ...................12.52 ................................12.49
Day 1 ...................12.44 ................................12.46
Day 2 ...................12.40 ................................12.43
Day 3 ...................12.37 ................................12.40
Day 4 ...................12.33 ................................12.37
Day 5 ...................12.31 ................................12.35
Day 6 ...................12.28 ................................12.32
Day 7 ...................12.27 ................................12.30
Day 8 ...................12.26 ................................12.28
Day 9 ...................12.24 ................................12.26
Day 10 .................12.22 ................................12.24
This shows that my 2.5 years old battery, having similar results as a new battery, is actually good (I suspected earlier that it was not very good). So it seems that, with 0.03 Amps current draw, even though it can be considered rather small, it is inevitable that the battery voltage will drop over time approximately at the rate as shown. It appears that initially the voltage drop is somewhat higher but, when it reaches ~12.30 volts, it slows down to just 0.02 volts a day. The drop possibly reduces even further after the initial 10 days (when it gets 12.20 volts and below) but I haven't performed my test longer. In any case, I was able to easily start the engine when my battery was reading 12.00 after longer sitting.
I am now thinking, since X308 is so sensitive to the battery voltage, to install a Lithium battery, Braille i34C, which I have in another car. Maybe X308 was designed for the future - the Lithium car batteries that maintain ~13 volts over most of their state of charge.
.....................Delkor ~ 2.5 years old ........ Varta AGM New
Day 0 ...................12.52 ................................12.49
Day 1 ...................12.44 ................................12.46
Day 2 ...................12.40 ................................12.43
Day 3 ...................12.37 ................................12.40
Day 4 ...................12.33 ................................12.37
Day 5 ...................12.31 ................................12.35
Day 6 ...................12.28 ................................12.32
Day 7 ...................12.27 ................................12.30
Day 8 ...................12.26 ................................12.28
Day 9 ...................12.24 ................................12.26
Day 10 .................12.22 ................................12.24
This shows that my 2.5 years old battery, having similar results as a new battery, is actually good (I suspected earlier that it was not very good). So it seems that, with 0.03 Amps current draw, even though it can be considered rather small, it is inevitable that the battery voltage will drop over time approximately at the rate as shown. It appears that initially the voltage drop is somewhat higher but, when it reaches ~12.30 volts, it slows down to just 0.02 volts a day. The drop possibly reduces even further after the initial 10 days (when it gets 12.20 volts and below) but I haven't performed my test longer. In any case, I was able to easily start the engine when my battery was reading 12.00 after longer sitting.
I am now thinking, since X308 is so sensitive to the battery voltage, to install a Lithium battery, Braille i34C, which I have in another car. Maybe X308 was designed for the future - the Lithium car batteries that maintain ~13 volts over most of their state of charge.
#70
#71
#72
Both batteries were not fully charged but they were at similar voltages at the starts of my tests. I took the readings, for both batteries, in exactly the same fashion every day: I would only unlock the boot/trunk with the remote and open it; the boot lights would be off due to my "power saving" relay installation which disables the line from Fuse #7. Of course, I measured the voltages directly on the battery terminals and with an expensive Fluke multimeter.
#73
#74
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JSTBlue
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
14
03-28-2009 11:16 AM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)