Strange ABS/TRAC unavailable issue
#21
03-22-2011, 10:40 AM
Hi there all!
I cleaned all four sensors today, and there wasn’t anything on them, I drove about 4ml, the ABS light and TRAC/ASC massage still there, I am going to take the car to Jag shop, to get the code out of it probably tomorrow.
Thank you for update bluerdg,
how many days it took to send the module and get it back
I cleaned all four sensors today, and there wasn’t anything on them, I drove about 4ml, the ABS light and TRAC/ASC massage still there, I am going to take the car to Jag shop, to get the code out of it probably tomorrow.
Thank you for update bluerdg,
how many days it took to send the module and get it back
Last edited by bluerdg; 03-22-2011 at 10:44 AM. Reason: Addtl info
#22
03-22-2011, 08:18 PM
Junior Member
Hi there
I took the car to jag shop, the code is C1095, that code is for the ABS pump, but the thechnician there said that, when they get that code, that is the module, and they are very experanced, they do Jaguars only, (Just Jaguar in Sherman oaks, CA).
I am going to remove the module.
Bluerdg, did you disconect the break lines? When you get your module back, can you tell, that if they cut the plastic box, or they just remove the circuit bord from it?
Victor.
I took the car to jag shop, the code is C1095, that code is for the ABS pump, but the thechnician there said that, when they get that code, that is the module, and they are very experanced, they do Jaguars only, (Just Jaguar in Sherman oaks, CA).
I am going to remove the module.
Bluerdg, did you disconect the break lines? When you get your module back, can you tell, that if they cut the plastic box, or they just remove the circuit bord from it?
Victor.
#23
03-22-2011, 09:18 PM
Hi there
I took the car to jag shop, the code is C1095, that code is for the ABS pump, but the thechnician there said that, when they get that code, that is the module, and they are very experanced, they do Jaguars only, (Just Jaguar in Sherman oaks, CA).
I am going to remove the module.
Bluerdg, did you disconect the break lines? When you get your module back, can you tell, that if they cut the plastic box, or they just remove the circuit bord from it?
Victor.
I took the car to jag shop, the code is C1095, that code is for the ABS pump, but the thechnician there said that, when they get that code, that is the module, and they are very experanced, they do Jaguars only, (Just Jaguar in Sherman oaks, CA).
I am going to remove the module.
Bluerdg, did you disconect the break lines? When you get your module back, can you tell, that if they cut the plastic box, or they just remove the circuit bord from it?
Victor.
#24
03-22-2011, 09:25 PM
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#25
03-22-2011, 11:02 PM
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#26
03-23-2011, 02:19 AM
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#27
03-23-2011, 07:19 AM
I've seen the numerous DIY that say to disconnect the lines, and a few that say just to loosen them but the specific direction I've seen indicates that you'll need to bleed the brakes if you do. VP the lines are tightest at the top bend - they taper back as they drop down the side. They seem very rigid when bundled in the clip and attached to the top of the pump assembly, but once you loosen the clip and rotate it, you'll have enough free play to flex the lines. I wouldn't just grab and pull, but you'll be able to flex them back and slightly upward to give you just enough clearance to remove and reinstall the module. FYI the bottom screws are buggers, I had to use a socket and turn it with a pair of pliers to get the screw loose then hand turn the socket to fully loosen. Take the top two completely out, but you'll have to leave the bottom ones dangling loose in the module when you remove it. Keep that in mind when reinstalling and put the bottom ones in before working the module back in over the pins (no need to fight it twice) as the frame will prevent you from being able to put the screws back in once the module is in place.
#28
03-23-2011, 08:19 PM
Junior Member
Hi there all
Thank you bluerdg for detailed instructions they really help me.
I remove the module and it is on its way to Tennessee. It wasn't that easy to remove it, specialy those two botom screws, I use E6 star socket, but I think E5 would be the right size for it. I hope I will get it back next week and I will post an update.
Victor
Thank you bluerdg for detailed instructions they really help me.
I remove the module and it is on its way to Tennessee. It wasn't that easy to remove it, specialy those two botom screws, I use E6 star socket, but I think E5 would be the right size for it. I hope I will get it back next week and I will post an update.
Victor
#29
03-24-2011, 04:28 PM
Hi there all
Thank you bluerdg for detailed instructions they really help me.
I remove the module and it is on its way to Tennessee. It wasn't that easy to remove it, specialy those two botom screws, I use E6 star socket, but I think E5 would be the right size for it. I hope I will get it back next week and I will post an update.
Victor
Thank you bluerdg for detailed instructions they really help me.
I remove the module and it is on its way to Tennessee. It wasn't that easy to remove it, specialy those two botom screws, I use E6 star socket, but I think E5 would be the right size for it. I hope I will get it back next week and I will post an update.
Victor
#30
03-30-2011, 10:19 PM
Junior Member
Hi there all
I just got the ABS module back from Tennessee, they did a good job, looks very professional. I install it and after the first start the ABS/TRAC light and the message they gone, i didnt test drive it yet, will do tomorrow.
Thank you all and you Bluerdg for help.
I make a tool for those two botom screws, it worked for me, and i took a picture, but i do not know how to put them in this post.
I just got the ABS module back from Tennessee, they did a good job, looks very professional. I install it and after the first start the ABS/TRAC light and the message they gone, i didnt test drive it yet, will do tomorrow.
Thank you all and you Bluerdg for help.
I make a tool for those two botom screws, it worked for me, and i took a picture, but i do not know how to put them in this post.
#31
03-31-2011, 07:55 AM
Having the module rebuilt did the trick, I get a nicely lit ABS light during system check, but it shuts off when the test is done, so it doesn't look like I need to go back in. The bright white bulb I used is quite obvious when lit, but not glaring. White probably isn't the original color either, but it will definitely get your attention if there's a problem and blends well with the rest of the test bulbs in the gauge. It's just not an idiot light that you'd want to have on constantly while driving.
#32
03-31-2011, 08:09 AM
Hi there all
I just got the ABS module back from Tennessee, they did a good job, looks very professional. I install it and after the first start the ABS/TRAC light and the message they gone, i didnt test drive it yet, will do tomorrow.
Thank you all and you Bluerdg for help.
I make a tool for those two botom screws, it worked for me, and i took a picture, but i do not know how to put them in this post.
I just got the ABS module back from Tennessee, they did a good job, looks very professional. I install it and after the first start the ABS/TRAC light and the message they gone, i didnt test drive it yet, will do tomorrow.
Thank you all and you Bluerdg for help.
I make a tool for those two botom screws, it worked for me, and i took a picture, but i do not know how to put them in this post.
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#33
03-31-2011, 09:06 AM
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Hi
Look at Help and Sugguestion Center thread "How to add pictures in your messages". You should view postings 1 thru 8 - Cadilliac did an exellent DIY on this.
Here is the Link:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/j...essages-36173/
Jim Lombardi
Look at Help and Sugguestion Center thread "How to add pictures in your messages". You should view postings 1 thru 8 - Cadilliac did an exellent DIY on this.
Here is the Link:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/j...essages-36173/
Jim Lombardi
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#34
03-31-2011, 11:04 AM
Junior Member
Thank you Jim, thank you Bluerdg
This is the tool, i just cut a small piece of 6mm hex, and insert it on back of E5 star socket.
This is the repaired ABS module from Tennessee, professioanal job, thank you ate1234 (eby)
Update
I just drove the car around the neighborhood for 15 min, and no ABS light came on dash.
This is the tool, i just cut a small piece of 6mm hex, and insert it on back of E5 star socket.
This is the repaired ABS module from Tennessee, professioanal job, thank you ate1234 (eby)
Update
I just drove the car around the neighborhood for 15 min, and no ABS light came on dash.
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#35
04-01-2011, 08:18 AM
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#36
06-12-2011, 11:46 AM
My Vanden Plas has done this to me a couple of times over the past year I've had it. The trac failure message shows up and the ABS light comes on. When this happens the speedometer doesnt work. I scanned it and the code was C1159, IIRC. That code is for the RR wheel speed sensor, I believe. I pulled the sensors and "cleaned" them, even though there wasnt much of anything on them and swapped sides. After restarting all was well. If it does it again, I am going to see what code it throws. I had no idea these ABS modules were known for failures though. Do you know what codes you were getting? Thanks in advance.
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06-12-2011, 01:05 PM
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02-09-2012, 08:44 PM
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Here's a recap of the info my buddy provided.
1. Missing or faulty bulb should not cause the fault.
2. There are a variety of clues that can be obtained by the warnings provided and when they are seen. In my searches I've even seen that you can get the unavailable warning from a bad connection on the TPS. My buddy says that if you get both the warning and ABS with ignition in on position and after starting, it's most likely a faulty module. If after starting you get BOTH on or off intermittently it's the module. One without the other can mean other issues, and the issue is dependent on which one you get.
3. You can have the ABS module tested if you can find a shop with the proper gear - I'm just in a location in the middle of nowhere with regard to Jag shops so I'm kind of on my own unless I'm up for a road trip. I've got the front of the motor pulled down right now for a timing chain job so I figured while she was down I'd deal with the ABS unit. Unfortunately, at the moment I can't start mine up, but I'm getting both with the ignition on so it's most likely the module. I found a shop in TN on E-bay that will test the module for all known issues, fix any evident issues as well as any they think might become one, and ship the unit back within a week, all with a lifetime guarantee. $55 + shipping to them so I sent mine out this morning. The unit is vehicle specific so this makes the most sense for me, otherwise I'd have to take the car into a shop and have a new unit programmed to the car. Problem is the car goes into restricted mode due to the other systems that run through the unit (trans, throttle, brakes - basically any system getting info off the wheel sensors). Good thing to keep in mind if you want to try the rebuild route.
1. Missing or faulty bulb should not cause the fault.
2. There are a variety of clues that can be obtained by the warnings provided and when they are seen. In my searches I've even seen that you can get the unavailable warning from a bad connection on the TPS. My buddy says that if you get both the warning and ABS with ignition in on position and after starting, it's most likely a faulty module. If after starting you get BOTH on or off intermittently it's the module. One without the other can mean other issues, and the issue is dependent on which one you get.
3. You can have the ABS module tested if you can find a shop with the proper gear - I'm just in a location in the middle of nowhere with regard to Jag shops so I'm kind of on my own unless I'm up for a road trip. I've got the front of the motor pulled down right now for a timing chain job so I figured while she was down I'd deal with the ABS unit. Unfortunately, at the moment I can't start mine up, but I'm getting both with the ignition on so it's most likely the module. I found a shop in TN on E-bay that will test the module for all known issues, fix any evident issues as well as any they think might become one, and ship the unit back within a week, all with a lifetime guarantee. $55 + shipping to them so I sent mine out this morning. The unit is vehicle specific so this makes the most sense for me, otherwise I'd have to take the car into a shop and have a new unit programmed to the car. Problem is the car goes into restricted mode due to the other systems that run through the unit (trans, throttle, brakes - basically any system getting info off the wheel sensors). Good thing to keep in mind if you want to try the rebuild route.
#39
02-11-2012, 09:32 AM
#40
02-11-2012, 11:26 AM
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The vendor of the ABS module should have asked what year your car was. They are specific to each car, i.e. programmed to each car individually, so no, it won't work, unless the vendor sent you the correct year related module. More likely you got an earlier module for example 98/99. A 2000 module should work 9 times out of 10.
I hope this sheds light on the issue clearly ;-)
By the way, how old is your battery, and did you attempt to clean the wheel speed sensors before the failed module swap?
Last edited by Sean B; 02-11-2012 at 11:28 AM.