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Old Dec 12, 2023 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JagCad
Chicken little stuff????


1. My LT1 powered 83 and I went to market yesterday. E10 laced 87 octane. It fired right up, as usual and purred as usual. I stomped on it a couple of times, it squatted and leaped.


2. My neighbor is using my ancient Troy Bilt Chipper shredder to get rid of a lot of Ivy overgrowth. I repowered it a couple of years ago. Out, B&S 5HP. In, HF sourced Predator 6.5 HP. In actuality an OHV Honda knock off. Noisy and powerful. On E10 87. Whacking away just fine.


3. My decades old Honda OHV powered Craftsman mower fires right up and mows. Same juice.


4. My 94 Jeep Grand Cherokee eats the E10 stuff just fine.


5. Although, my 2 cycle things prefer fuel with no ethanol.


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It’s common to have issues with small gas motors. The margin in those is so tight that cost accounts search the world over for the cheapest parts that will do the job long enough to get out of the warranty. This is a rare case of replacement parts actually being better than factory originals.
 

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Old Dec 12, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikey
What would you gain with higher octane rating?
in Jaguars? Nothing. Slightly cooler running. It won’t hurt the car.
In a car adjusted for ethanol? More power.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2023 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jag-o-nomic
Hi Tony,

Apart from the well documented side effect of ethanol's like of breaking down the lining of older fuel lines such as those in our vintage of cars, ethanol has a very short burn nor is it as powerful as petrol.

You need more of it in volume to attain the same result as normal fuel. Read not as economical.

So by the time you add in the expense of re wiring your fuel lines to accommodate e10 and the fact that you will use more e10 to go the same distance, well, what is the point??

In a nutshell, the higher the octane, the longer the burn and more powerful the stroke meaning better fuel economy you will get.

These XK engine respond well to high octane fuel.

Also, in Australia we have the dirtiest refined fuel in the western world due to our ancient outdated fuel refineries. By definition, the higher the octane, the more highly refined the fuel.

I only run 98 octane in both Jag's and the Suby as the fuel is at least the cleanest I can put in their tanks in this country.

Also one of the main supermarket chain brands here has rubbish additives in all of their fuels and so have a shorter shelf life fuel on offer.

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Nigel?
Alcohol makes more power than premium gasoline. The reason for that is alcohol has extra free oxygen molecules in it compared to gas.
Those extra free oxygen molecules allow more fuel to burn than gasoline can burn. More fuel consumed ( actually burned not sent out the exhaust as black smoke).

Now before you quote energy numbers. I’d like to remind you that diesel has more energy than gasoline.

In racing the amount of alcohol is carefully checked because of the added power.
Indy cars use 100% ethanol. NASCAR uses 15% alcohol . Drag racing, Land Speed record chasing all limit the amount of alcohol or move the car into the faster class

Alcohol burns cooler than gasoline and will clean up the deposits that gas leaves behind.
With regard to fuel hose. Jaguar has been selling cars in America since WW2. Wve used alcohol without problems since the 1980’s? ( I’ll look it up ). Jaguar has had 2 recalls regarding their fuel hose . Read John Egan’s SAVING JAGUAR for confirmation.

As far as economical. The price of Ethanol lowers the cost of Fuel. By using ethanol they can get the required octane numbers from more of that barrel of crude oil.
 

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Originally Posted by jagent
Nothing necessarily, but there's also nothing wrong with using higher octane.

E10 95 is cheaper than standard unleaded 91 octane, and very much cheaper than premium 95. My interest is on the impacts of ethanol on these engines, if any, although I may not use it. Just curious to know if anyone is using it.

America has been using it since the 1980’s ( yes in our Jaguars). Without any of the problems that the scare mongers are claiming.
They are confusing Ethanol with Methanol. While they are both alcohol.
Ethanol does good things for our Jaguars
Methanol does all the bad things people claim.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2023 | 02:04 PM
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Dude this thread hadn't had a reply since 2017, half the people you're replying to probably aren't on the forum any more...
 
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Old Dec 13, 2023 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yarpos
Fuel, oil, tyres, spark plugs all seem to start a flurry of comments in any car forum :-)

Thanks Tony for pointing out they have started the E addition to 95 as well, I hadnt noticed. I guess there will only be more of those moves as the green blob washes over us.
IT’S not totally about being green. It’s also about sending your money out of the country.
Ethanol can be made from a big variety of things Corn, Switch Grass, any grain or fruit. Etc.
Typically that is locally grown. While oil is typically imported.
The use of ETHANOL extends the amount of gas the refinery is able to get out of a barrel of oil.
Also Ethanol makes more power than gasoline does.
Ethanol does three things. It provides more free oxygen molecules. Which means it can burn more of the energy in the fuel than gasoline. That’s where the power gain comes from. *
It’s also a cooling agent. Put some alcohol on your skin and feel how cool it is when it evaporites. Third it’s a wonderful cleaning agent. Gas leaves dirty deposits. Especially on the back side of the intake valve. Which reduces airflow into the cylinder costing power and fuel mileage. It also clogs up the fuel injects eventually and well as foul spark plugs sooner.

You can prove that to yourself by putting a small amount of gasoline into a sturdy glass container.
Carefully light the gasoline. And look how dirty the glass is. Notice too the dark smoke emitted as it burns.
Now clean the glass container back up. Put in the same amount of alcohol & carefully light it.
Notice the flame is almost invisible with no smoke.
Look at how clean alcohol burns compared to gasoline.
One final point. If you tried to put out the gas fire with water, because water floats on top of gas
the flame is spread.
Whereas with alcohol water is absorbed by alcohol and quickly goes out.

* Really helpful with higher compression like our HE’s Engine.
 

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