I got a spinner!!
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10-04-2014, 04:42 PM
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First you need to get the nut off. If there's room between the nut and the rim you might be able to get a needle nose vise grip in there to hold the lug and so remove the nut, maybe with a little penetrant added AFTER you get the vise grips on.
Then you need to determine if the lugs are splined pressed into the hub (which I suspect) or if they screw in. I have both; front lug bolts have splines (like the first picture), rear lugs screw in, double threaded and staked on the inside of the hub as shown in the second attached photo.
After you get the nut and tire off you can more easily figure out what to do. I think all the splines are gone in that hole though, in both the hub and on the lug. If that's the case you either need a new hub or have someone weld the back of a new lug in place, making sure to center it. Either way you'll have to remove the hub to get at the problem.
I tend to think how to get machinery back into service asap from a farmer's perspective. Someone else might have a better idea how to proceed.
(';')
Then you need to determine if the lugs are splined pressed into the hub (which I suspect) or if they screw in. I have both; front lug bolts have splines (like the first picture), rear lugs screw in, double threaded and staked on the inside of the hub as shown in the second attached photo.
After you get the nut and tire off you can more easily figure out what to do. I think all the splines are gone in that hole though, in both the hub and on the lug. If that's the case you either need a new hub or have someone weld the back of a new lug in place, making sure to center it. Either way you'll have to remove the hub to get at the problem.
I tend to think how to get machinery back into service asap from a farmer's perspective. Someone else might have a better idea how to proceed.
(';')
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10-05-2014, 01:05 PM
didnt work!! lol, just split the nut with a cutoff wheel!, and you are right hole is boogered too!! not a big rush though as the new seats and the new ac at the house ate all my painting money!!! not putting her back on road until she is pristine again! i have a bad habit of once things work to just using them!! im fighting myself here!! lol
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We got all our lug bolts through Welshnet.com but they were full price from across the Pond and they didn't give they away.
EZAccessory also has them but they're Taiwanese and so were immediately rejected.
You need to be *SURE* your front hub is not hogged out too! I'm having a hard time thinking of any conditions where a steel bolt would go before cast iron.
(';')
EZAccessory also has them but they're Taiwanese and so were immediately rejected.
You need to be *SURE* your front hub is not hogged out too! I'm having a hard time thinking of any conditions where a steel bolt would go before cast iron.
(';')
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10-12-2014, 04:49 PM
I will tell you exactly what happened! tire store cross threaded the nut and then drove it home with a hammer, forcing the stud to back out of its hole!!!! Of course it was over 3 years ago so theres no point in even trying to go back!!! teh splines are still perfect on both the lug and teh hub!! however the threaded area is is worn down due to impact i wass trying to use and large prybar behind washer!!!
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Rear stud from Welsh; #C-13365
Long nuts from Summit; SUM-7540083
Husband ordered extra long front studs for my spacer issue with the Xj40 Tear Drop rims. He didn't even look for regular length front bolts.
Husband put the rear stud in with Green Pernatex, similar to the Red Locktite Plums recommends. In fact I grew up using Red Locktite for such applications.
He put 4 thin lines as in the second photo the full length of the threads (I only show one line) evenly spaced around the short end of the stud, and one line like this in the threads of the hub and screwed the stud into the empty hole. He did all this without calling me to bring my camera. But when he gets a wild hair like that there's no slowing him down for such frivolities as a photo op so I have made this demonstration photo with a similar size bolt.
To ensure it was going to be tight enough he double nutted the long end, jammed a bar between 2 other studs and made it as tight as he dared. (He has been known to twist off half inch grade 5 bolts just by brute force and awkwardness. So I usually stand watching and say, "<PLINK>" at an opportune moment and then he stops.)
The stud is curing now for a couple days after which he'll take the double nuts off, probably again with a bar jammed between other studs. He chases the threads with a die to be sure the they are OK after jamming with a bar like that but so far there hasn't been a hitch.
OEM the rear studs are screwed in and staked on the inboard side as shown in the attached photo. As yours came out I would guess someone tried to jam it in place without either red or green.
(';')
Long nuts from Summit; SUM-7540083
Husband ordered extra long front studs for my spacer issue with the Xj40 Tear Drop rims. He didn't even look for regular length front bolts.
Husband put the rear stud in with Green Pernatex, similar to the Red Locktite Plums recommends. In fact I grew up using Red Locktite for such applications.
He put 4 thin lines as in the second photo the full length of the threads (I only show one line) evenly spaced around the short end of the stud, and one line like this in the threads of the hub and screwed the stud into the empty hole. He did all this without calling me to bring my camera. But when he gets a wild hair like that there's no slowing him down for such frivolities as a photo op so I have made this demonstration photo with a similar size bolt.
To ensure it was going to be tight enough he double nutted the long end, jammed a bar between 2 other studs and made it as tight as he dared. (He has been known to twist off half inch grade 5 bolts just by brute force and awkwardness. So I usually stand watching and say, "<PLINK>" at an opportune moment and then he stops.)
The stud is curing now for a couple days after which he'll take the double nuts off, probably again with a bar jammed between other studs. He chases the threads with a die to be sure the they are OK after jamming with a bar like that but so far there hasn't been a hitch.
(';')
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10-12-2014, 05:52 PM
that brings me to my next question...... 
what size tap and die is it? i want to chase all my threads on the lugs and on the nuts!
as i side note, i noticed that the nut i had to cut off was not nearly as long as the others! had the same depth before teh shoulder but was only maybe 3/4 of an inch after it where others all look to be around 1 1/2 inches! this is only a guess, havent actually taken a tape measure to them! my guess is that the threads maybe werent crossed but the nut bottomed out! then they whacked it inward with a hammer to stop the washer from jingling!!
what size tap and die is it? i want to chase all my threads on the lugs and on the nuts!
as i side note, i noticed that the nut i had to cut off was not nearly as long as the others! had the same depth before teh shoulder but was only maybe 3/4 of an inch after it where others all look to be around 1 1/2 inches! this is only a guess, havent actually taken a tape measure to them! my guess is that the threads maybe werent crossed but the nut bottomed out! then they whacked it inward with a hammer to stop the washer from jingling!!
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10-12-2014, 10:24 PM
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Tap/die was 1/2" fine.
All my lug nuts are the same, longer than standard Xj6 nuts, but I have Xj40 rims.
Standard length bolts are on the rear and I've double checked on the order form, that is indeed the #. However, that order was made back in August so perhaps they're discontinued by now. The only other place I know who handles them online is EZAccessory but that was back in August too. As Plums suggested a Jag dealer might have them.
I don't think I would go back to those tire gorillas!
(';')
All my lug nuts are the same, longer than standard Xj6 nuts, but I have Xj40 rims.
Standard length bolts are on the rear and I've double checked on the order form, that is indeed the #. However, that order was made back in August so perhaps they're discontinued by now. The only other place I know who handles them online is EZAccessory but that was back in August too. As Plums suggested a Jag dealer might have them.
I don't think I would go back to those tire gorillas!
(';')
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10-13-2014, 01:28 AM
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the nut and stud at the outer end should be 1/2-20.
jeep cherokee comes to mind as one vehicle with the same thread.
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Tire gorilla ?????
An insult to the primates. Beware, they are big and the "he"s" are known to have short tempers.
Was this a national franchise, a local cut rate or what?
No true professional with pride in his/her work would do that.
Or, even half a brain.Driving the nut home means that stud and nut are no longer doi9ng anything positive. it's the other four!! Throw a wheel. Bad things happen.
Big time lawyers and it's all gone!!!!
UGH!
Carl.
An insult to the primates. Beware, they are big and the "he"s" are known to have short tempers.
Was this a national franchise, a local cut rate or what?
No true professional with pride in his/her work would do that.
Or, even half a brain.Driving the nut home means that stud and nut are no longer doi9ng anything positive. it's the other four!! Throw a wheel. Bad things happen.
Big time lawyers and it's all gone!!!!
UGH!
Carl.
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