XJS ( X27 ) 1975 - 1996 3.6 4.0 5.3 6.0

Looking to buy a differential

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-29-2013, 02:54 PM
ktrumper's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 62
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Looking to buy a differential

All,

I am in need of a good condition differential for a 1994 XJS 2+2 with the V12, if it makes a difference. I seem to believe I saw one not long ago on here somewhere, but of course, I didn't need one then!!!

Let me know if you have one or know of one.

Thanks!
 
  #2  
Old 03-29-2013, 05:28 PM
Mish_Mish's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 883
Received 169 Likes on 84 Posts
Default

I have very nice one off 87 V12, not sure if ratio is the same, but mine is 2.88.
 
  #3  
Old 03-29-2013, 05:46 PM
Vee's Avatar
Vee
Vee is offline
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 4,819
Received 1,510 Likes on 1,176 Posts
Default

eBay seems to have tons of options...
 
  #4  
Old 03-30-2013, 09:35 AM
ktrumper's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 62
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question

Thanks guys. I have looked at Ebay a little and will again.

Are all years interchangeable? Again, mine is a facelift model, 1994.
 
  #5  
Old 03-30-2013, 10:55 AM
Greg in France's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: France
Posts: 13,337
Received 9,092 Likes on 5,355 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ktrumper
Thanks guys. I have looked at Ebay a little and will again.

Are all years interchangeable? Again, mine is a facelift model, 1994.
I am almost certain that V12 facelift models with the four speed automatic gearbox have a lower (numerically higher) rear axle ratio than the three speed auto cars. From memory the facelifts with the four speed box have 3.XX:1 rear axle ratios, compared with 2.88:1 for the pre facelift V12s that have the GM400 three speed box.

Greg
 
  #6  
Old 03-30-2013, 07:31 PM
Mish_Mish's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 883
Received 169 Likes on 84 Posts
Default

Facelift 6.0l are very rare, how many miles are on yours?
 
  #7  
Old 03-30-2013, 08:27 PM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,743
Received 10,757 Likes on 7,101 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Greg in France
I am almost certain that V12 facelift models with the four speed automatic gearbox have a lower (numerically higher) rear axle ratio than the three speed auto cars. From memory the facelifts with the four speed box have 3.XX:1 rear axle ratios, compared with 2.88:1 for the pre facelift V12s that have the GM400 three speed box.

Greg

Right!

It was 3.54 or 3.58

Something like that.

The extra power of the 6.0 engine together with the deeper gearing pretty much took care of the lazy off-the-line acceleration that the 5.3 cars with 2.88 diffs were known for. :-)

Cheers
DD
 
  #8  
Old 03-30-2013, 08:28 PM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,743
Received 10,757 Likes on 7,101 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mish_Mish
I have very nice one off 87 V12, not sure if ratio is the same, but mine is 2.88.

That would be an "inboard" brake diff. A '94 will be an "outboard" brake car. The diffs wouldn't interchange.

I *think* an XJ40 diff would fit, though.

Cheers
DD
 
  #9  
Old 03-30-2013, 09:30 PM
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vic Australia
Posts: 4,638
Received 2,576 Likes on 1,712 Posts
Default

Diff center from XJ40, X300 etc will fit in the XJS housing, I have a complete XJR center and 3.58 gears in mine. Another option is Dana 44 parts these will also fit in the XJS housing, a vast choice of ratios available with this option, make sure they are 19 spline, with a Volvo pinion yoke you can even bolt it up to the original XJS tailshaft yoke.
 
  #10  
Old 03-31-2013, 09:11 AM
ktrumper's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 62
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

A wealth of information - as usual! Thanks everyone. I did confirm the 3.54:1 ratio for my year. And, am considering an alternate ratio moving forward. While I'm sure 3.54:1 is more responsive than the original 2.88:1, I would appreciate "more" if you know what i mean. I realize MPG would suffer a little but I'm okay with the trade off - to a degree anyway.

Any thoughts on ratios?

To answer the mileage question, she now has 42K.
 
  #11  
Old 03-31-2013, 03:51 PM
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vic Australia
Posts: 4,638
Received 2,576 Likes on 1,712 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Doug
I *think* an XJ40 diff would fit, though.

Cheers
DD
XJ40 / X300 use the same rear end configuration it is completely different diff housings and not interchangeable with XJS, The XJS OB brake diff is the same as the inboard, the difference is the hubs. You can convert an XJS to outboard using XJ40/300 hubs and driveshafts. The only thing that requires mods is the outer fulcrum shaft is smaller in the XJ40.

The XJ40/300 diff center will fit in the XJS housing, as I have an X300 XJR center in my diff.
 
  #12  
Old 03-31-2013, 03:59 PM
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vic Australia
Posts: 4,638
Received 2,576 Likes on 1,712 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ktrumper
A wealth of information - as usual! Thanks everyone. I did confirm the 3.54:1 ratio for my year. And, am considering an alternate ratio moving forward. While I'm sure 3.54:1 is more responsive than the original 2.88:1, I would appreciate "more" if you know what i mean. I realize MPG would suffer a little but I'm okay with the trade off - to a degree anyway.

Any thoughts on ratios?

To answer the mileage question, she now has 42K.
Almost all of the older Jag gear sets are the same so you can use gear sets from any XJ40, X300, XJ6 MK11 etc. You may need to either change your hemisphere or use a spacer.

I know a guy here in Aus that has 4.27 gears 6.0L engines and acceleration off the mark is remarkable with semi slicks. BUT with street tyres he can not get traction.

Jaguar had
3.77, 4.09, 4.27
 
  #13  
Old 03-31-2013, 06:08 PM
ronbros's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Austin tx and Daytona FL.
Posts: 7,362
Received 1,231 Likes on 939 Posts
Default

for my 1978 XJS Dana,had 3.07, i used a set of 3.73, from a Jeep diff.

went together without drama, set gear lash, been fine 16yrs!

only thing when driving hard, rear drifts out because Powerlok is locking tightly,like a spool.

i live with it ,but careful on wet roads, some times fun,but wife lets me know about it.hehe
 
  #14  
Old 03-31-2013, 11:50 PM
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vic Australia
Posts: 4,638
Received 2,576 Likes on 1,712 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ronbros
for my 1978 XJS Dana,had 3.07, i used a set of 3.73, from a Jeep diff.

went together without drama, set gear lash, been fine 16yrs!
All of the XJS XJ40/300 diffs are based on the Dana, mine has a late GKN Salisbury diff and the hemishphere is still Dana 44, except for the 7/16 bolts.

Originally Posted by ronbros
only thing when driving hard, rear drifts out because Powerlok is locking tightly,like a spool.

i live with it ,but careful on wet roads, some times fun,but wife lets me know about it.hehe
Whohoooo way to go Ron - I have the same problem with the wife, they do not seem to appreciate getting sideways.
 
  #15  
Old 10-10-2013, 09:57 AM
davidno64's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Australia
Posts: 6
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Adding to this thread and hopeing for clarity. Pretty much all earlier Jags ran the same diff (specifically the IRS setups). Being specific, they were all Dana 44 based units. But as with anything Brittish, there was many variations. Being Ratios, Open/LSD, Housing variations, Stub axle, etc, etc.

I would like to clarify housing differences and carrier differences. My 88 XJs has a 2.88:1 ratio LSD. I want a 3.54:1 or 3.31:1 ratio. I have suspicions the carrier and casing are slightly diffent to say a 3.54:1 setup. Casing requires some grinding? and the carrier is different (not sure if its offsets or just bolt diameters)?

Could I fit 3.31 or 3.54 gears to my original 2.88 diff. What mods are required or is it a straight fit. As I can get a 3.31 open diff but I require this to be a LSD. So I need to fit the 3.31 gear directly to my originals or will there be other issues as expected.
 
  #16  
Old 10-10-2013, 02:09 PM
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vic Australia
Posts: 4,638
Received 2,576 Likes on 1,712 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by davidno64
Adding to this thread and hopeing for clarity. Pretty much all earlier Jags ran the same diff (specifically the IRS setups). Being specific, they were all Dana 44 based units. But as with anything Brittish, there was many variations. Being Ratios, Open/LSD, Housing variations, Stub axle, etc, etc.
Correct all Jag diffs XJ/XJS, X300, X350 use the same Dana 44 derived diff center. ALL centers are interchangeable. The diff housings are not. All XJS and S1 to S3 XJ are interchangeable, including inboard and outboard brakes.

Originally Posted by davidno64
I would like to clarify housing differences and carrier differences. My 88 XJs has a 2.88:1 ratio LSD. I want a 3.54:1 or 3.31:1 ratio. I have suspicions the carrier and casing are slightly diffent to say a 3.54:1 setup. Casing requires some grinding? and the carrier is different (not sure if its offsets or just bolt diameters)?
Only the carrier is different you do not need to modify the diff housing. I have an XJ40/X300 3,58 center in my XJS. The 2.88 carrier can have the 3.54/3.33 gears installed using a custom machined spacer. The 2.88 crownwheel and pinion are MUCH larger than the 3.xx so the offset to the carrier mounting flange needs to about 1cm closer to the center line of the diff.

Originally Posted by davidno64
Could I fit 3.31 or 3.54 gears to my original 2.88 diff. What mods are required or is it a straight fit. As I can get a 3.31 open diff but I require this to be a LSD. So I need to fit the 3.31 gear directly to my originals or will there be other issues as expected.
Yes if you use a spacer between the 2.88 carrier and the 3.xx crownwheel. Other option is to use Jeep Dana 44 19 spline LSD carrier with matching crownwheel and pinion. The only difference are the pinion input yoke spline and the crownwheel bolt size (Jag uses 7/16 and Dana is 3/8)
 
The following users liked this post:
davidno64 (10-11-2013)
  #17  
Old 10-10-2013, 02:10 PM
Scoupe89's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 157
Received 19 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Subscribing...
 
  #18  
Old 10-10-2013, 03:00 PM
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Damon /Houston, Texas
Posts: 7,254
Received 2,183 Likes on 1,355 Posts
Default

Ill post so i can find later. Ill check the # on the new diff sitting in the garage. Has power lock i know and i beleive a 3.54. Think it was red and yellow stripped with black x
 
  #19  
Old 10-10-2013, 10:10 PM
motomental's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hillsboro
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

What is the differences between the facelift 6 and 12,??
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
FrickenJag
XK / XKR ( X150 )
8
09-25-2016 08:00 PM
Sleestak
F-Type ( X152 )
11
09-24-2015 03:00 PM
bigblackcat3
XJ40 ( XJ81 )
7
09-14-2015 04:03 PM
trebor12
UK & Eire
3
09-12-2015 12:21 PM
AtholC
XJ XJ8 / XJR ( X308 )
2
09-09-2015 09:07 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: Looking to buy a differential



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:10 AM.