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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 04:08 AM
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Bargain!

Might be worth getting a couple but the OEM ones are very expensive
 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 07:04 AM
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by orangeblossom
Hi

Just before you go Splashing the Cash

If you put a Clamp on the Fuel Return pipe coming out of the back of the FPR on 'B' Bank

(protect the Fuel Pipe from wrench jaws with a piece of rubber or rag)

Then it would artificially raise the Fuel Pressure in the Fuel Rail, so that you would be able to tell if the diaphragm in the FPR has been ruptured and needs replacing
OB, this is really NOT a good idea, IMO. A burst high pressure fuel line is not to be risked!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg in France
OB, this is really NOT a good idea, IMO. A burst high pressure fuel line is not to be risked!
Greg is right NOT a good idea, much better to buy a New FPR if your old one is leaking

 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Skinthespin
Thanks for the input.

Things tried today.....
  • Replaced filter, I blew through the old one and there was a lot of restriction, new one much better.
  • Drained surge tank and checked for debris. Got a load of petrol in the face so I guess I am now part of the club. All very clean, the petrol,not the face.
  • Pulled off front 2 injectors, disconnected coils, turned over. Both injectors fired well into a clear bottle.
  • Cleaned the connectors of the resistor pack with contact cleaner and a small wire brush.
  • Pulled off fuel lines from FPR and I have read that if they are ok they don't leak and diaphragm inside is still intact?
  • Put it all back together and still didn't run, chugged and died exactly as before.
I think I have eliminated fuelling as an issue, the injectors seem to fire well on both bank A & B. Although I checked for a spark from every plug lead I am not convinced its a strong one. I am going for a new crank sensor and dizzy cap I think....???

Also anyone know what the pipe is supposed to be attached to? Its on the rear RHS of the motor and can't find a home for this end.....




Thanks again

Simon
I don’t know. But I can tell you that you’re holding the outlet. This solenoid switches between two vacuum sources. The near end is normally ported to the outlet and energizing it switches to the far end being ported to the outlet.

looking at its length, and location, I’d think it could just reach the vacuum advance.
 

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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 11:56 AM
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Vacuum advance? Is that on the Lucas ignition?

Cleaned the amplifiers and no difference, I will fit the new dizzy when it turns up, if no joy then amplifiers next.........
 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Skinthespin
Vacuum advance? Is that on the Lucas ignition?
Yes.

Marelli = no vacuum advance

Cleaned the amplifiers and no difference, I will fit the new dizzy when it turns up, if no joy then amplifiers next.........
Not much to go wrong with the distributor itself on a Marelli car. I'd put that at the bottom of the list, personally

Cheers
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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Maybe, I hate just throwing parts at a car but seems the only way unless you can find some friendly owner to swap parts with!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 06:36 PM
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Buying Marelli ignition amps at great cost is *not* necessary. Look up on Ebay for Ignition Module VE520225 Cambiare 1637546 link

I've looked into these prior to buying and they are used on a number of European cars - 35,000km later and I've had no issues. I do have my original ones if someone wants a working 'previously enjoyed' set.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2018 | 08:15 PM
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Valve at rear of right hand side may be solenoid vacuum valve but l can't check connection positions on my car at the moment and that vacuum line may connect to spigot beneath throttle body or at rear of manifold. It is possible if that is where it should be connected maybe the ECU is not getting a manifold vacuum reading.
Has the connection etc. to air temp sensor been checked and also check the air and coolant temp sensor connectors are not transposed.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 05:17 AM
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Just a quick update.

Replaced ignition amps.
New rotor arm
New distributor

Not even firing.......

This thing tests both patience and wallet........
 

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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 07:08 AM
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Test for spark. Is there one or not on cylinder A1, just before TDC on the firing stroke? You must work methodically, there are only a finite number of causes to be eliminated.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 09:11 AM
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Hi, yes there is a spark. I put a spare plug lead on the dizzy and worked around every position....
 
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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Skinthespin
Hi, yes there is a spark. I put a spare plug lead on the dizzy and worked around every position....
If there is a spark, and it is at the right time, and fat and blue, then you have no fuel. Have you tried removing an injector and testing it into a jar while a friend turns the car on the starter? One of the front two injectors are easiest to remove.
 

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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 01:09 PM
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Hi Greg, did both front injectors and they sprayed perfectly into clear plastic bottles.

I have fuel and spark......completely bizarre......
 
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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 01:21 PM
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OK
Is there any popping and banging at all when you try to start the car?
  • If no, are the plugs wet? If not wet, then when cranking you do not have injection pulses.
  • If wet, you do not have a good enough spark.
  • If not good enough spark, use a spare HT lead from any dizzy cap plug lead post to ground, and while engine is turned over, look to verify a really strong blue spark.
The thing is to definitely identify if fuel or spark before doing anything else.
 

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Old Jan 6, 2019 | 08:09 PM
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Uh, just a thought, how about checking compression? It's not very likely the problem, but it is a very necessary part of the process??? And since we have fuel and spark? and it was once a running car??? Just saying

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Old Jan 12, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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Update.

Replaced front crank sensor. not firing at all.I did the spare lead thing, no spark. I put the old ignition amps back on a lo and behold a strong spark. The car still coughs and splutters and dies though.......

So replaced pretty much all the ignition system and made zero difference.

I removed the 2 front fuel injectors as suggested and they both fire into the jar whilst turning over.......
 
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Old Jan 12, 2019 | 02:22 PM
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If the car is popping and banging, then for whatever reason, and I do not know about the marelli cars, the ignition timing is out. You are aware the firing order goes anticlockwise round the dizzy cap? You are certain that cylinder A1 (RHS front cylinder) is sparking on its compression stroke just before TDC?
Have you renewed the rear sensor on the other end of the crank? That working is essential to make the car run.
Greg
 

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Old Jan 12, 2019 | 04:59 PM
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Hi Simon

This is what I used to Check the Firing Order of my 1990 V12 Marelli

Have a look at the link below it may help

With Thanks to Jig Jag
Firing Order XJS V12
 

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