You summed it all up there.

Yes that diluted ubiquity is the price one pays for reliability- that can almost be stated as a law.
Jaguar is being forced to cater to the masses.
McDonald's is the benchmark for appealing to the masses.

 

 

Its the looks that got me interested, the interior was also wonderful, my test drive was sublime. It felt much much better than my 370Z even if the performance is similar. A v8 is different from a v6. And I traded for it. I bought it home and my family just loved it.

Then I started reading about what I had bought, learned about all the issues and the costs relating to it. I drove it around for a week, found the mileage around town was poor compared to my Nissan. I called the dealer to ask about an oil and filter change and was quoted $150 (the Nissan Dealer did my oil change for $65). And then I started thinking about the plans I had for the Spring including driving trips to Long Island ((2000 RT) and another to Las Vegas and Ca (about 4500 RT) and got worried. I was getting a few miles less per gallon than my Nissan Z too.

I looked up the KBB price and was shocked to find that a Kia cost more than my Jaguar. I found out that one week after I traded my 2017 370z, I would have to pay $10k plus the Jaguar to get it or another similar to it.

Several times I started driving to a dealer that was selling cars I thought I would get for my long trips (Accord coupe, 370Z, Mazda MX5 etc.), that I would trade my Jaguar in. Half way to the dealers, I changed my mind, the car felt so great, the feeling too good.

The tentative decision is to keep it and enjoy it for now and see how I feel come the new year. If I sell it, I guess I would do it privately and get more than the $13-$15k offered by the dealers in trade ins.

 

If you're worried about fuel economy on long trips, a rental car is a better solution.

If I'm driving in my normal style I get about 43MPG in a rental Camry cross country(NC to CA, to NC again).

My co driver gets about 35MPG.

 

Jags are best driven until the plates fall off and it's worth nothing. The looks are timeless (or at least had been) and if maintained, miles should not matter. Granted they are more to fix than Camry/Accord, but I really think the Jag does not cost more to fix than any similarly new priced cars.

 

Not very many engine innovations in the F1 arena make it to street cars. The F1 engines are so specialized and removed from street driving reality that there isn't much trickle effect from F1 engine development. (Perhaps some material alloy technologies.)

OTOH, F1 innovations that have filtered down to street cars: Tire technology, Carbon fiber, better disc brakes, Traction control, paddle shifting and KERS.

[For instance our British built XK has an aluminum monocoque (pronounced mono ****). The skeleton and body are integral.
Pioneered by Lotus of UK...started winning races.
Now used all F1 cars and all serious sports cars.

A F1 engine is subjected to equivalent stresses of 100,000 miles in just 1minute of running- its run at 17,000 rpm, you would destroy a pedestrian engine in seconds.]

 

Anyone buying a luxury low volume make of car that's not remotely new is either expecting to pay more to run it and maintain it or really where have they been???

(Though you can expect to save a lot if you DIY.)

If cost per mile matters a lot in such a car then something very weird has occurred - like buying the wrong vehicle.

My STR isn't particularly expensive to maintain/service but it's not as cheap as a car at the lower end of the market - which would be a car I'd rather not have!

It doesn't do the MPG of a low end car, either - and I never thought it would or cared.

It's quite nice driving a car the Top Gear guys drove against other performance cars...

(Though not why I bought it.)

 

2 supplemental questions

1.Why are German cars or their hightech components (such as the Veyron) built in UK.
Wonder if people know or understand what it means that Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains are designed and built it UK

2.Why are Germans buying British manufacturing. Never seen a British company set up shop in Deutschland?

A member mentioned why cant Jaguar be as reliable as a Mazda MX5. Wonder if they know or understand what it means that the MX5 engine is built in the same engine plant as our Jaguar and Range Rover engines.

 

Does anyone know who builds the manual transmission in the Ftpe that SinF said was unreliable in his car.
Is it the British company that makes the transmissions for the Bugatti Veyron or is it the German one?

 

Everyone in this forum already knows what to expect from buying one of these cars. If you don't want something well beyond mere "transportation", go buy a Honda or Toyota.

 

Ah, but here is the thing.

Depreciation is about the people who do not buy an object, rather than the people who do.

 

 

Looking back to earlier, while I think a 150$ oil change on these cars is not cheap, with DIY having me getting castrol synthetic and a nice wix filter for $50 minimum, retail being more like 70, $80 or half to two thirds of an hour labor at a dealership seems reasonable. I DIY from oil changes to engine rebuilds, and while I won't pay that, it's a fair price.

Also, if you worry about a one hundred fifty dollar oil change, you won't enjoy these cars. I get 14-16mpg in my mixed driving with all three of my R models, and i will admit I get an mpg or two more on the newer car, that's all relatively bad. I've gotten 23mpg on trips with my 07 and at 20 on trips with the 00 and 98. I rented Hyundai Sonata once for a trip and got 37mpg ripping on it! F*** that car.

Price out a set of nice tires, see how short they really last, and you won't worry about oil lol. Nice tires are a minimum of a grand installed on my 07. I'm going with Bridgestone or Michelin this spring and just cutting the check and enjoying the car. I just put a set of four really nice Bridgestone Potenza RE960s on the Maxima, and got a killer deal from Costco at 390 installed. It's still a Nissan Maxima. I will derive several times moe enjoyment from my car with several times more expensive tires.

 

Its like marriage
People blame a bad marriage on getting married for the wrong reason.
Total BS. What happens is that the reasons they thought were good are now not.

You married this ***** cat because you wanted a fiery, exotic, bar-hopper that looked good on your arm.
Now you want a honda homemaker who only wears sweatpants.
The car hasnt reneged on the deal, you have.

We should ask the civic owner how sick he is of the daily humiliation.

 

These are some strange arguments and mental gymnastics, all aimed at rationalizing away JLR faults. You shouldn't have to choose between reliable and exciting car, plenty of exiting cars are also reliable.

Now, some here speak with derision about Honda. Well, Honda S2000 is much better made roadster than anything that Jaguar offers. This is probably why today 2009 S2000 valued at $15K (MSRP new $36K), while 2009 XK convertible valued at $13K (MSRP new $84K). Because reliability matters.

 

The supposed values listed above may be accurate, but I'd not take in trade SIX S2000 for my one XKR.
Grossness also matters, as to what I'd not drive.
Miatas also fit into that category (gross).

 

 

Mexico is ground-zero to inventions such as;
Supercharger
carbon fiber,
disc brakes
tires
Seat belts
Diesel engines
2 stroke engines
turbine engine
turbojet engine
Wind tunnel
universal joints
bowden cable
ARM chips
First F1 car
And viagra

 

SinF something very wrong with your calculations buddy.
There is a reason Honda no longer makes a roadster (and why their cult has driven prices up)
While Jaguar, BMW, Toyota, Mazda are still making roadsters.
The S200 drinks a liter of oil every 1000 miles.(some real **** engineering there)
Can you imagine what a Jaguar owner would say if any Jag required a bottle of oil every month.
Different market/owners.